[Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
Dan KB6NU
[email protected]
Thu, 15 Jan 2004 06:12:33 -0500
John,
You need to do more than just complain.
None of you "fighters" have described anything that you're currently doing
to improve the situation. I suspect that all you've done over the past ten
years is complain on forums like this one, and guess what, complaining
doesn't get the job done.
73!
Dan KB6NU
=============================================
President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
----- Original Message -----
From: "n3drk" <[email protected]>
To: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>; "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>;
"Fists" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> Dan, KB6NU, states that we can complain all we want. Well Dan we
will.
> We have been in this fight for the past 10 years. Where have you been? As
> per your little bio on qrz.com I quote you as saying, "Although I've
had
> a ticket for more than 30 years, I've never been very active UNTIL I got
> hooked again after going to our club's 2002 Field Day activities"
>
> Well Dan that sure says a lot. After a 30 year absence you
> suddenly appear on the scene without knowing what has transpired the past
10
> years and have the nerve to tell us to quit our complaining and what we
are
> doing to promote cw. Man are you RUDE and shortsighted. You take offense
if
> someone disagrees with a stance of a public official of the ARRL. And this
> guy is Chickenshit for not even taking a stance. He is an elected official
> Dan and we as members have the right to speak out and disagree in any
manner
> we chose to do so. Go and order the past ten years of QST and read up on
the
> so-called ARRL surveys which were conducted and how the majority of voters
> had voted for the retainment of CW and then look and ask yourself why the
> ARRL did NOT listen to their membership.
> Until then you do obviously do not know what you are speaking
of.
> You are like a beer fart in the wind.
> 73's OB
> john
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>
> To: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>; "Fists" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
>
>
> > And calling someone "chickenshit" isn't rude? C'mon guys, I thought CW
> > operators were supposed to be more polite and considerate that phone
> > operators.
> >
> > As I've said before, you guys can complain all you want, but the code
> > requirement is going to go away--almost certainly for the General class
> > license and probably for the Extra class. All the complaining in the
world
> > is not going to change that. That being the case, Fists better start
> > cranking up its CW promotion programs.
> >
> > I'll ask again... What are you guys going to do to promote the use of
CW?
> >
> > 73!
> >
> > Dan KB6NU
> > =============================================
> > President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
> > HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
> > Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
> > Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>; "n3drk" <[email protected]>; "Fists"
> > <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> >
> >
> > > Stating that you support both sides of an "either or" issue is a
> > chickenshit
> > > stance.
> > > Either you support code testing or you don't, pick a side.
> > >
> > > This guy is very rude and a joke. Glad I did not vote for him. :-)
> > >
> > > 72, oo
> > > Dan, N8IE
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "n3drk" <[email protected]>; "Fists" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here you have someone trying to come up with a decent compromise
> > proposal
> > > > and you have the gall to call him "chickenshit"?
> > > >
> > > > You guys can piss and moan all you want, but the code requirement
is
> > > going
> > > > to go away. So, you better crank up whatever programs you have up
your
> > > > sleeve (you do have one up your sleeves, don't you?) to promote CW
and
> > get
> > > > more CW ops on the air.
> > > >
> > > > 73!
> > > >
> > > > Dan KB6NU
> > > > =============================================
> > > > President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
> > > > HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
> > > > Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
> > > > Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "n3drk" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: "fists" <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:38 PM
> > > > Subject: Fw: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes. It is pretty pitiful the present Leadership of the ARRL.
> Perfect
> > > > > example of a chickenshit politician trying to appease the masses.
> > > > > 73
> > > > > john
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > Cc: <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:40 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Weaver reminds me of Charlie Brown, wishy-washey.
> > > > > > If you are affraid to make a stand one way or the other, then
get
> > the
> > > > hell
> > > > > > out of the way. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 72, 73
> > > > > > Dan, N8IE
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is Mr. Weavers latest e-mail hand out to folks in the Great
> > Lakes
> > > > > > area......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (DIRECT ANY COMMENTS TO: [email protected]. Do not simply click on
> > reply.
> > > > > > The reflector does not receive or forward E-mail.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > E-MAIL & US MAIL ON MORSE CODE REQUIREMENT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > During recent days I've received E-mail messages promoting
> > absolutely
> > > no
> > > > > > code from proponents of No Code International. Before this, I
> > received
> > > > > > code-forever cards from FISTS followers. Partly because of this,
> I'm
> > > > > > motivated to come out with a bit of plain talk. I do not wish to
> > > offend
> > > > > > anyone. I respect anyone's opinion (regardless of my opinion of
> it)
> > > and
> > > > > > continue to invite people, ARRL members especially, to let me
know
> > > their
> > > > > > thinking. However, here is what I think about the Morse code
> > licensing
> > > > > > issue and how I intend to proceed at the ARRL Board meeting next
> > week
> > > > > > . . . and a few thoughts on other topics. Please take these
words
> at
> > > > > > face value.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THE OPINIONS OF MEMBERS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Members' opinions are very important to me. Your answers to my
> July
> > CW
> > > > > > questionnaire caused me to modify my initial position on code
> > > > > > requirements. Any member of this Division was eligible and
> requested
> > > to
> > > > > > give me his/her thoughts. For members who somehow did not
receive
> > the
> > > > > > poll, I regret you were missed. For you who chose to ignore the
> > > > > > questionnaire, I am sorry you shut yourselves out of helping
shape
> > my
> > > > > > opinion. You snooze; you lose!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NO CODE INTERNATIONAL (NCI)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NCI has done a good job of encouraging its members and followers
> to
> > > let
> > > > > > me know what they think. No problem. Unfortunately, most of the
> NCI
> > > > > > people who contacted me and identified themselves as such do not
> > > belong
> > > > > > to ARRL. They lost their opportunity to help me formulate my
> > position
> > > > > > on code requirements by not being an ARRL member and, therefore,
> not
> > > > > > replying to my questionnaire. My position was developed by
> mid-Fall
> > > > > > after studying the hundreds of responses by members to my
> > > questionnaire
> > > > > > and after studying other information I found.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NON-MEMBERS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be very frank, unless a non-member comes to me with a clearly
> > good
> > > > > > idea or points out a clear problem, their opinion holds
> > significantly
> > > > > > less weight with me than those of members. With exception,
> > nonmembers
> > > > > > do not actively support the fight ARRL is making to defeat the
> > forces
> > > > > > (BPL) attempting to QRM our frequencies on a wholesale basis.
They
> > > also
> > > > > > generally do not support our effort to pass legislation that
> > prohibits
> > > > > > FCC from skimming off our frequencies at will . . . or our fight
> to
> > > > > > secure the right for each amateur to install an antenna/tower
> > > (provided
> > > > > > doing this is physically reasonable and safe). In short,
> nonmembers
> > > who
> > > > > > ask my support for a position usually have not in my opinion
shown
> > > they
> > > > > > care enough about Amateur Radio by joining the fight to protect
it
> > and
> > > > > > enhance it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anyone wants my unqualified representation, all they need to
do
> > is
> > > to
> > > > > > join ARRL and become part of the only organization in the world
> that
> > > is
> > > > > > fighting to preserve and enhance Amateur Radio in the US.
> Shouldn't
> > it
> > > > > > be more important that all of us get together under one strong
> > > > > > organization to defeat the BPLs, frequency skimmers and
> > > > > > anti-antenna/tower rules than to have a head-butting contest
over
> > > either
> > > > > > of the no code or know code extremes?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As an example of the reason I feel this way, it would matter not
> > that
> > > I
> > > > > > have a 20-wpm license or a no-code license, if we lose essential
> > > battles
> > > > > > and find ourselves but have only insufficient, and highly QRMd
> > > > > > frequencies on which to exercise these licenses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MY POSITION
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree with and will pursue offering the opportunity in a
> > meaningful
> > > > > > way to no code licensees to use HF. I have just become a Bad Guy
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > eyes of the strict know-coders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also agree with and will pursue requiring Morse code
> requirements
> > > for
> > > > > > a specified class of license. I have now also become a Bad Guy
in
> > the
> > > > > > eyes of the strict no-coders.
> > > > > > Let's face it, no matter what I and the rest of the Board do in
> this
> > > > > > matter, we will be labeled stooges, a bunch of out-of-touch old
> men
> > > and
> > > > > > saddled with the claim we have prostituted ourselves to the
> > financial
> > > > > > dictates of someone or other, somewhere. This easily-concocted
> view
> > of
> > > > > > the Directors and Officers is an easy, if not fully inaccurate,
> > target
> > > > > > for anyone who does not get exactly what they feel they deserve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So much for the goings on in the world of friendly politics!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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