[Fists] Need a pro-sign

[Cheryl W. Ring]

Commercial services didn't use KN because that was left "starting"
parenthesis: " ( "
KK was the right parenthesis " ) ".

If a commercial station were to call for FISTS only he would use "Call
specific stations" signal which is: "CP".

They would use it like this:

CP CP CP FISTS de KC0ANT KC0ANT KC0ANT K

Some proceedures have changed over the years.

It was common at one time to send they prosign for Understood several times,
then followed by the "Starting signal" before giving the calling sequence:

VE VE VE KA NY2V NY2V de KC0ANT KC0ANT = R TU FRED FER GREAT QSO YOU SURE
ARE ONE HECK OF AN OPERATOR = MY DAD USED TO BE A SIGNAMEEEEEEE SIGNALMAN IN
THE COAST GUARD + NY2V DE KC0ANT K

I haven't taken a notice of how many stations are using the "CROSS" or AR or
+ before they change over.  Perhaps this is decling also.

73

CW & DJ Ring
KB0RQN - N1EA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net>
To: <Fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Need a pro-sign


> Comments mixed into the text....
>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Rich Fowler
> >>To: Fists@mailman.qth.net
> >>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:45 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Fists] Need a pro-sign
> >>
> >>--- Ralph Sutton <zl2aoh@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >> Stan
> >>
> >> Wot about ":A?" - eh?!!
> >>
> >> Vy 73 de Ralph ZL2AOH
> >
> >Ralph,
> >
> >I like this one!! After meeting someone in person and talking a while, I
> >have to say "What was your name again?" A? ?
>
> What does A? mean?
>
> >Actually sometimes, I might need to say NAME? since I copy in my head and
> >am suffering short term memory loss. If I really miss it, I might come
> back
> >with NAME? BK before going too far. Saying R R R might be like shaking
> your
> >head "yes" and still you're not taking everything in.  Probably no one
> else
> >can identify...oh well.
>
> Why -couldn't- we identify with that, and who suggested R R R?
>
> >The bottom line is I try to enjoy the QSO without getting too bothered by
> >the operator not knowing the correct pro-signs. I use the correct
> pro-signs
> >as an example for him. If he is a cordial type, I might mention that his
> >sending a KN is telling others to stay away, but I want others to join if
> >they feel comfortable doing so
>
> Seems to me it is a bit easier to set the example. Sow the seed. After a
> while, it may take root and grow a better operator. Hard to be sure how
> folks
> will take advice, and deciding a stranger seems cordial may not wash once
> you start giving uninvited lessons.
>
> As I think about this, what about the op calling "CQ FISTS". I had not
> thought
> about this before, but would KN be a good way of saying that only FISTS
> contacts are wanted. I guess there is room for a little rope there, not
> sure.
>
> >Speaking of that ... How many of us sit on a FISTS frequency waiting for
> the
> >QSO to get done so we can get a new FISTS number? Why don't we jump
> >into the QSO and get two numbers?  Just a wild thought...
>
> Well, I personally don't like people jumping into my QSOs. A lot of
> operators
> don't. Going back up there to short term memory loss, it breaks one's
> train of
> thought when somebody butts in. Why not just wait and make the next
> contact
> and get that FISTS number? If when you do that, the one you were talking
> with
> comes back in to say hello to the newcomer, fine with me since I finished
> what
> I had to say already, if you get my drift. As for the other party, that
> depends....
> I think what is going on here is chasing numbers. I usually don't, I just
> ragchew.
> If the op is a FISTS, I swap. If not, I don't push the issue. I always
> ask, however.
> And give my number if the other one IS one and gives me a number.
>
> Incidentally, if you butt in, and get accepted, the ops have NO idea of
> how
> much you have overheard and noted down already. So, to be sure, you give
> your name, QTH, etc. -- what a waste of time for at least one of the
> operators.
> I hope that thought is clear.
>
> If things are quiet, it is best to get off the FISTS freq to QSO anyhow.
> If others
> are interested in what is going on, they will move onto that freq and wait
> to talk,
> which is good since it keeps the calling freq clear.
>
> I mess up often and wind up in a QSO right on the calling freq, and I
> admit it.
> But I shouldn't do it. If I AM running numbers and the freq is full of
> stations in
> line, I take them as they call. If they persist in calling after I have to
> leave and
> end with "CL" which some don't understand, I do what I intended.. turn off
> the rig. Someone will explain, I hope. Closing Station means what it says
> or
> it wouldn't be said. :-) There's always another day, or we hope there is.
>
> One thing you should know about me. I am not really a QRP-er or a
> contester.
> That affects my thinking. After years of public service, and being busy
> with the
> regulatory issues of the day, I am finally sitting down and enjoying
> ragchews,
> and if no FISTS numbers are forthcoming, fine. I will get them eventually.
>
> As for the QRP bit, my antenna now that the supporting trees have blown
> down,
> puts me almost in that category anyway. I like working anybody as long as
> I
> can copy them. If they run letters together, I ignore them. No sense
> talking
> with someone I can't understand. This right here is a good place to
> discuss
> these issues. Most of us have email and can come here and ask about these
> things, and everyone gets to read and judge for themselves whether they
> agree, disagree, or are learning something.
>
> >73/72,
> >
> >Rich
>
> 73
> ZUT - CW Forever
> Fred Adsit, NY2V
> AWA QRP-ARCI QRP-L ARRL A-1 OP FISTS#1293
> ex-W2ZOJ - 1948
>
>
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