Al; Same thing on 15 and 20 meters except there, a rare DX station (Ducie Island) is having callers up to 14.110 and he is on 14.020. I tried to carry on a FTSTS QSO on 14.058 with W6YHM who is an old Navy shipmate, and we had to give up. Oh well, We need to change our name to the Rodney Dangerfield club because we get no respect. (HI HI) 73's de Stan W5ZF #6183 Extra Real