[FADCA] HAMS using Internet

[Royce, Philip]

Not to get long winded but when you reply to the SIG can you guys please
cut the last 30 msgs from the bottom of the email...LOL...

The only thing I can say about SEDAN is that I tested it about two
months ago on a drill from Union CO. to Duval Co. with Tom Nolen at the
Duval side and it work very well.   But as we all know using it for
anything else than what it is designed for cannot be done.  2 years ago
I crashed the SEDAN testing a Telpac Node since there was not another
digi or FPAC in the area at the time.  I hit the D disconnect and it
crash the whole northern florida system,(Sorry again Tom), so it should
be use just the way it was designed.

73 Phil
  
 
-----Original Message-----
From: fadca-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:fadca-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry DeLong
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Edwin Crowell'; 'Florida Amateur Digital Communication Association'
Subject: RE: [FADCA] HAMS using Internet

Ed,

I was referring more to the concept that Sedan is using. Sound like
their
problem could be easily solved with FBB or any well tested message
handling
software. The fact they are using a self routing software is a big plus.

I single Fpac node being down now fragment the entire network. This
surely
Could not be relied on during an emergency. 

Even make it hard to test.

At any rate thanks for you nice comment.



Best regards, Jerry, KD4YAL


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edwin Crowell [mailto:w5twr109 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:02 PM
> To: kd4yal at tampabay.rr.com; Florida Amateur Digital Communication
> Association
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] HAMS using Internet
> 
> Sorry Jerry,  You've been misled again.  You have probably never tried
> to use Sedan before.  Those of us who have discovered during an
> emergency like Charley it does NOT work.  The message dies before it
> gets delivered.  Just exactly what we feared.  That's worse than not
> being able to connect.  At least then you know the message didn't go
> out, and you can keep trying.  You connect and truly believe the
> message has been sent only to find out a week later that it never went
> anywhere!  I don't mean to be critical of anyone, much less you.  I
> respect you, your training, experience and certainly your knowledge.
> Sometimes even all that is not enough.  Jerry, Please stick with FADCA
> and let them (us) help each other create a reliable, inexpensive
> redundant, multi-level system.  Then, everyone will be a winner, you,
> me, and Bud as well as FADCA and our friends and neighbors who we are
> actually protecting with the system.    Best wishes, Ed, W5TWR
> P.S. I don't mind being wrong, because that's when I learn the most.
eac
> 
> On 10/24/07, Jerry DeLong <kd4yal at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> >  It's seems Bud was wrong when he said "No one really cares" in my
> previous
> > RANT. It looks to me as if there are still plenty of people that
care or
> > they would have not taken the time to contribute to this thread.
> >
> >  I think we could learn from the Sedan network. Here is a flat
network
> > of Netrom nodes that can get the job done. It simple in nature and
> requires
> > little no maintenance. For this very same reason is why Flexnet type
> > networks works well.
> >
> >  My biggest complaint with Rose is that it not self routing like
Netrom
> > or a Flexnet type node. Very seldom do I ever have a need to add a
> static
> > route for my Netrom or Flexnet nodes.
> >
> >  As John Daughtry said "So guys don't fuss make it work together the
> > different protocols can exist and in harmony." You're correct and
that
> > been my goal working with Fpac node. Currently I have integrated
Fpac
> > into Amprnet, Flexnet, and at one point was sending email from Fpac
> > shell.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards, Jerry, KD4YAL
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fadca-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:fadca-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Barry isbelle
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:55 PM
> > > To: 'Florida Amateur Digital Communication Association'
> > > Cc: TNolan1013 at aol.com
> > > Subject: RE: [FADCA] HAMS using Internet
> > >
> > > Sedan is still here, alive and well. Most of the state still has
solid
> > > coverage. Nice thing about Sedan that it is self supporting and
runs
> > > without
> > > internet support. The nodes run entirely without computers. The
node
> is a
> > > specially programmed TNC and a radio only. 145.770 is the
frequency.
> > > It is a mailbox to mailbox system and may seem dull to most, but
it
> can
> > > deliver the mail. Primary commands are familiar to most, R to list
> known
> > > routes, N will list the known remote nodes, MH to list the latest
> logins
> > > and
> > > C to go to the nearest mailbox. B will exit you from the system.
> > >
> > > I believe that the most damaging aspect of our hobby is the
political
> > > influence of the ARRL. Nothing else even comes close. It has been
this
> way
> > > since before I got my first ticket in '69.
> > >
> > >                                             Regards to all , Barry
> N2Db
> > > Orlando
> > >



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