[FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
jdaughtry
[email protected]
Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:19:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
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From: [email protected]=0D
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 09:38:49 AM=0D
To: [email protected]=0D
Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
Bob =0D
On a follow up i handle nts and personal into and in some case's out o=
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hernando [the town]=0D
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chrystal river=0D
Dunellion=0D
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lake county=0D
leesburg=0D
lady lake=0D
the villages=0D
fruitland park=0D
eustis=0D
paisley=0D
tavares=0D
umitilla=0D
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sumter county=0D
Webster=0D
linden=0D
st cathernen=0D
croom=0D
bushnell=0D
sumterville=0D
coleman=0D
wildwood=0D
oxford=0D
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hernando county=0D
brooksville=0D
springhill=0D
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most anything that needs to go long haul via voice=0D
via a local traffic hound=0D
used to be tons of nts coming out of the clover leaf amateur radio clu=
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in brooksville=0D
but they isnt a opperatinf bbs in there area to take traffic now days , t=
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hernando =0D
amateur radio club discontinued there bbs and switch support a trend t=
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true these days=0D
73 john ke4ini=0D
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Bob =0D
I live in a small town called Webster [ small town with a huge flea marke=
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Yes i am a bbs running win fbb sence 1994 handeling on the average 1000 t=
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3000 messages a month via a local lan and a internet telnet arangement wi=
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several bbs's around the usa and world =0D
at this time i have conections in California New York City Serveport La =0D
Tampa Fl and Jax fl =0D
on a hourly basis plus a ihave a traffic hound who will deliver anythin o=
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of area in a 24 hour =0D
period plus severeral who will take to local nets on a nightly basis . =0D
i can make a list of towns if you would like just let me know =0D
73 john ke4ini.#web.fl.usa.noam =0D
[email protected] =0D
bbs mail only to [email protected] =0D
bbs mail needs to be in fbb message form and in zipped content =0D
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From: [email protected] =0D
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:58:17 PM =0D
To: FADCA List =0D
Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery: =0D
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John, =0D
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Also What Town do you live in? =0D
Do you have packet? =0D
If so do you have a Home PBBS? =0D
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If you didn't get the original message I sent I will be happy to send it =
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again. It has an attachment with all the Florida zip codes and associated=
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City's. =0D
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PS: I saw the msg to Bud a with Zip codes that you can handle traffic to.=
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can build the list from that msg unless you have some free time. =0D
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Bob N4WFH =0D
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----- Original Message ----- =0D
From: "jdaughtry" <[email protected]> =0D
To: <[email protected]> =0D
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 09:18 =0D
Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery: =0D
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> I can and do handle nts into and out of the following counties =0D
> Sumter =0D
> Citrus =0D
> northern Polk =0D
> Hernando =0D
> i also have a route to a voice nts hound =0D
> John =0D
> ----- Original Message ----- =0D
> From: "bud thompson" <[email protected]> =0D
> To: <[email protected]> =0D
> Cc: "Phyllis Ann West, KA4FZI" <[email protected]>; "earl e leach" =0D
> <[email protected]> =0D
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:51 AM =0D
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery: =0D
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> > =0D
> > > NTS traffic may cycle through VHF/DIGITAL HF/DIGITAL VHF/VOICE =0D
HF/VOICE =0D
> > and =0D
> > > back again until it reaches it's destination. =0D
> > > My idea is to not have NTS traffic sent to a PBBS and HOPE someone =
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> > delivers =0D
> > > it. =0D
> > =0D
> > Bob - you are absolutely correct - that is precisely why we don't put=
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NTS =0D
> > traffic out on the local packet networks unless we have an assigned N=
TS =0D
> Home =0D
> > for it. If we do that blindly it dies a slow death. We don't have tha=
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> all =0D
> > set up yet in Florida because we (1) don't have enough BBS, (2) don't=
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have =0D
> > enough NTS folks on digital and (3) don't have enough backbones in pl=
ace
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> to =0D
> > get all around the network. =0D
> > =0D
> > Did you read about that on the FADCA web pages? =0D
> > =0D
> > If you like I can send you the list of NTS Home BBS w/ZIPs as it stan=
ds =0D
> now. =0D
> > That is certainly a place to start. =0D
> > =0D
> > That said, right now, my converting from Conventional Winlink on HF t=
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> WL2K =0D
> > is not complete as I've not got the packet side of WL2K working yet -=
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too =0D
> > busy with other stuff! So, my participating in the auto switching of =
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NTS =0D
> > addresses has come to a halt until I get the packet side going. My =0D
plan =0D
> > was to have the N3PPC BBS become the NTS switch (taking over the =0D
function =0D
> I =0D
> > did) as he is also on the packet network. We can use other NTS switch=
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> > the packet network as well. (NTS "switch" is only a routing function =
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> > on NTS addressing.) =0D
> > =0D
> > Of course the packet network is not quite all complete (not all =0D
backbones =0D
> > get us everywhere yet), and we don't have BBS at all LANS, nor do we =
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have =0D
> > NTSers on packet everyplace. That is what needs to be worked on for =0D
sure. =0D
> > =0D
> > Meanwhile.... =0D
> > =0D
> > We have Earl WX4J (near JAX) who is the NFL STM on Classic Winlink HF=
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and =0D
> > on the packet network. You might want to be sure you are working with=
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> him. =0D
> > He, Phil KF4FZI near Ft. Myers(?), N4XEO Bill in Ft. Pierce, Nick N4S=
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> > (Pensacola) and I all guarded a 40M pactor frequency to transfer NTS =
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> > messages around the state. That was all Classic Winlink and will stil=
l =0D
> work =0D
> > as a way to get traffic over distances. N4SS is ill and likely will n=
ot =0D
> be =0D
> > back on the air, N4XEO should be back on soon, and I don't know if Ph=
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is =0D
> > still monitoring or not. It would be good to keep that 40M PacTOR lay=
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> > (yes, it is just another layer) going for NTS traffic as well as =0D
> EOC-to-EOC =0D
> > traffic until we get the rest of the network integrated. =0D
> > =0D
> > I'm not discouraging what you want to accomplish - only feel you may =
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> > going off in a direction that will dilute a system that is (almost) =0D
> already =0D
> > there. I recommend you see if you can tie this all together rather th=
an =0D
> > start something that might not integrate into the packet network late=
r. =0D
> We =0D
> > just don't have enough folks interested to have disparate systems. =0D
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> > 73, =0D
> > bud N0IA =0D
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> > ----- Original Message ----- =0D
> > From: "Stacey & Bob H." <[email protected]> =0D
> > To: "FADCA List" <[email protected]> =0D
> > Cc: "bud thompson" <[email protected]> =0D
> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 21:42 =0D
> > Subject: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery: =0D
> > =0D
> > =0D
> > > >Bob- you may be re-inventing the wheel... What you want to accompl=
ish
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> > needs =0D
> > > to be done, >but it may be closer at hand than you think. =0D
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> > > =0D
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> > > Bud =0D
> > > =0D
> > > What I want to accomplish is to use a digital mode to send to anoth=
er =0D
> > > Amateur interested in delivery or re transmittal of NTS traffic. Th=
e =0D
way =0D
> > the =0D
> > > Digital system is presently NTS traffic goes to it's destination an=
d =0D
> sits =0D
> > > until it expires without delivery or doesn't make it to the =0D
destination =0D
> > PBBS =0D
> > > because their is no path. This is unacceptable. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > I'm not trying to re invent the wheel. I'm trying to spread the loa=
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of =0D
> > NTS =0D
> > > traffic I receive to other participating Amateurs. The Traffic is =0D
being =0D
> > sent =0D
> > > to a specific Amateur whom has agreed to deliver or pass on NTS =0D
traffic. =0D
> > > This will insure that the NTS Traffic will be sent from one Amateur=
to
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> > > another until delivery. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > NTS traffic may cycle through VHF/DIGITAL HF/DIGITAL VHF/VOICE =0D
HF/VOICE =0D
> > and =0D
> > > back again until it reaches it's destination. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > My idea is to not have NTS traffic sent to a PBBS and HOPE someone =
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> > delivers =0D
> > > it. My idea is to build a list of Amateurs that will accept NTS =0D
traffic =0D
> > sent =0D
> > > to them for delivery or passage on to another Amateur until deliver=
ed.
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> > > =0D
> > > Bob N4WFH =0D
> > > =0D
> > > ---- Original Message ----- =0D
> > > From: bud thompson =0D
> > > To: Stacey & Bob H. ; Frank AC4MK ; WB4TOV Harold ; KG4KCB Harry ; =
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> > KA4TTS =0D
> > > Jack ; KD4GR Jim ; KF4OPT Jimmy ; AD4IH Joe ; WA9VND Laura ; K4LNP =
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Mark =0D
> ; =0D
> > > WX4H Mort ; KD4CQG Phyllis ; W4AAA Randy ; KQ4AZ Rick ; K4DWF Tom ;=
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> WB2FGL =0D
> > > Tony ; WD4IUD Walt ; KE4VBA Warren ; K4DDY Wolf ; Bill W4HCS ; N4EP=
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Bill =0D
> ; =0D
> > > N4LTT Bill ; WR4FSU Bob ; K9SHT Bruce ; Wilbur AB4XK ; AA4CH ; NR2F=
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> > Charlie =0D
> > > ; WD4GDB Chet ; AE4MR Dave ; N4GMU Dave ; KB4MON Dennis ; N9MN Don =
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> Earl =0D
> > > K4FQU ; Ed ; W4WYR Evelyn =0D
> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 21:07 =0D
> > > Subject: Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery: =0D
> > > =0D
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> > > Deltona =0D
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> > > Monday Feb 17 2050EST =0D
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> > > Bob- you may be re-inventing the wheel... What you want to =0D
accomplish =0D
> > > needs to be done, but it may be closer at hand than you think. =0D
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> > > I encourage a coordinated effort of getting NTS folks on digital - =
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we =0D
> > can =0D
> > > use all the experienced message handling people we can get. Get out=
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> > > laptops/tncs/(soundcards)/2M radios and set up a portable packet to=
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use =0D
> at =0D
> > > shelters, hospitals, incident command. Also be sure an experienced =
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> > traffic =0D
> > > handler/packet operator is on duty at your EOC. =0D
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> > > I suggest the following reading - it won't take long =0D
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> > > go to www.fadca.org =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > Then click on Packet Articles about half way down in the left pane.=
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> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > Read "NTS MESSAGES ON THE DIGITAL NETWORKS" which is simply the =0D
> > protocol =0D
> > > to be used for NTS on digital. Then read "STATUS OF DIGITAL NTS IN =
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> > FLORIDA" =0D
> > > which explains (1) the way it should/could be and (2) the way it =0D
> actually =0D
> > > is. The main problem is we don't have enough BBS on line on the =0D
Layered =0D
> > > Packet Network. If each LAN had an active BBS and each of those had=
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> > active =0D
> > > folks watching for NTS traffic it would work swell. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > We do not need 7+ to handle NTS messages. BBS-to-BBS binary =0D
> compression =0D
> > > will do the work just fine. FBB BBS handles/routes NTS messages jus=
t =0D
> > fine, =0D
> > > providing we have "NTS friendly" BBS in a lot of communities. I'd =0D
like =0D
> > > nothing more than to have that here on the Layered Network as there=
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are =0D
> > many =0D
> > > NTS messages that go wanting on the 75M fone net (3940) most mornin=
gs.
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> We =0D
> > > could just take them and put them on packet - IF we had BBS all ove=
r. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > I suggest we all get together and support the layered packet networ=
k =0D
> in =0D
> > > our communities. Get you ham club/ARES group to sponsor/support a =0D
> > > LAN/switch. Get a BBS on each LAN and the NTS traffic should flow =0D
just =0D
> > > fine. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > I may comment more on this reference note later. =0D
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> > > 73, =0D
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> > > bud N0IA =0D
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> > > =0D
> > > PS: All that said, my main focus for digital messaging for EMCOMMs =
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> > with =0D
> > > E-mail - that would include the traditional NTS role of Health and =
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> Welfare =0D
> > > messages. Guess you might as well also read "Whither Goest NTS?"at =
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> > same =0D
> > > web site. =0D
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> > =0D
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> > > =0D
> > > ----- Original Message ----- =0D
> > > From: Stacey & Bob H. =0D
> > > To: Frank AC4MK ; WB4TOV Harold ; KG4KCB Harry ; KA4TTS Jack ; =0D
KD4GR =0D
> > Jim =0D
> > > ; KF4OPT Jimmy ; AD4IH Joe ; WA9VND Laura ; K4LNP Mark ; WX4H Mort =
; =0D
> > KD4CQG =0D
> > > Phyllis ; W4AAA Randy ; KQ4AZ Rick ; K4DWF Tom ; WB2FGL Tony ; WD4I=
UD =0D
> Walt =0D
> > ; =0D
> > > KE4VBA Warren ; K4DDY Wolf ; Bill W4HCS ; N4EP Bill ; N4LTT Bill ; =
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> WR4FSU =0D
> > > Bob ; K9SHT Bruce ; N0IA Bud ; Wilbur AB4XK ; AA4CH ; NR2F Charlie =
; =0D
> > WD4GDB =0D
> > > Chet ; AE4MR Dave ; N4GMU Dave ; KB4MON Dennis ; N9MN Don ; Earl K4=
FQU
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> > Ed =0D
> > > ; W4WYR Evelyn =0D
> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 17:43 =0D
> > > Subject: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery: =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > =0D
> > > ----- Original Message ----- =0D
> > > From: Stacey & Bob H. =0D
> > > To: Bud N0IA ; Bill N4XEO ; Eric KB6YNO ; Robin VE3VVS ; Billy =0D
N4UF =0D
> ; =0D
> > > Chuck Hast ; Wilbur AB4XK ; Charles NR2F ; Earl K4FQU ; Bill KC7TSG=
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> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:48 =0D
> > > Subject: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery: =0D
> > > =0D
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> > > =0D
> > > Hello everyone, for those that don't know me. My name is Bob N4WFH =
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> in =0D
> > > North Port, Fl. I'm the sysop for the KF4HFR Packet BBS. I enjoy =0D
> > > ARES/NTS and Packet Radio. =0D
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> > > :Belief =0D
> > > =0D
> > > I don't believe Packet Radio can reliably get NTS traffic =0D
delivered =0D
> to =0D
> > > the intended recipient. However, Packet Radio can be reliably used =
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> to =0D
> > > send NTS traffic to designated Amateur Radio operators at a Packet =
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> BBS =0D
> > > or directly to an Amateur Radio Packet station as a text file =0D
using =0D
> 7+ =0D
> > > or YAPP transfer protocol, where it can be delivered or passed =0D
> along. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > :NTS List =0D
> > > =0D
> > > I would like develop an list of Amateur Radio Operators whom have =0D
> VHF =0D
> > > packet capability and regularly participate in the NTS system =0D
either =0D
> > > VHF/HF, Digital/Voice. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > :How to use the list =0D
> > > =0D
> > > I receive as many as twenty NTS msg's a day into KF4HFR packet BBS =
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> > > during events or Holiday times of the year. I cannot put all these =
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> > > msg's on voice Nets myself. I want to build an list of Amateurs =0D
> > willing =0D
> > > to help in passing these messages via Amateur Radio. From this =0D
list =0D
> I =0D
> > > will build forwarding files that will separate the NTS traffic =0D
into =0D
> > > different files. Theses files will be sent to Amateurs based on =0D
the =0D
> > > information they submit in the list, using the following =0D
guidelines. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > First, they will be sent to the Amateur in the delivery area. =0D
> Second, =0D
> > > if no particular Amateur is listed in the delivery area. They're =0D
> sent =0D
> > > to whom is closest to the delivery area. Third, if the message is =0D
> out =0D
> > > of Florida they will be sent to those with HF capabilities. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > These messages will be sent to an Amateur Radio Operator at their =0D
> > local =0D
> > > Packet BBS as a 7+ file or via directly connecting to a Packet =0D
Radio =0D
> > > Station. This will alleviate a copy of the message on every PBBS =0D
it =0D
> > > passes through where others might try to deliver. =0D
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> > > I due not want messages sent to a Packet BBS destination hoping an =
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> > > Amateur will pick them up. They need to be sent to a specific =0D
> Amateur =0D
> > > willing to handle traffic. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > :Attached files =0D
> > > =0D
> > > 1. flzipcodes.txt =3D This is an Alphabetical list of City's with =0D
> their =0D
> > > zip codes for Florida. When determining which City's you can =0D
> deliver. =0D
> > > Please include all zip codes for that City. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > When I compile all the information from various Amateurs and =0D
> associate =0D
> > > Callsigns with zip codes. You will be able to use notepad to =0D
search =0D
> > for =0D
> > > the Amateur closest to the destination. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > 2. SWFDG.GIF =3D this is the current SWFDG network. The heavy dark =
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> lines =0D
> > > and yellow areas are proposed. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > 3. Pkt_net.gif =3D this shows the FPAC network that is connected to=
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> > > SWFDG. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > 4. Nodelist.htm =3D this is the SEDAN Network that can be used to =0D
> > connect =0D
> > > to another packet station directly. This might work if there isn't =
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a =0D
> > > Packet network between you an the destination Amateur. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > Note: I use this Network to connect to an Amateur in Sarasota that =
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> > > takes NTS traffic. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > 5. n4wfh.txt =3D My information. Please build yours using notepad =0D
and =0D
> > > attach to a msg back to me. It will make it easier to use later. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > :Information =0D
> > > =0D
> > > More information can be obtained about the Packet Network close to =
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> you =0D
> > > via: =0D
> > > F.A.D.C.A.: http://www.fadca.org =0D
> > > =0D
> > > More Information can be obtained via the SEDAN network near you =0D
via: =0D
> > > http://www.geocities.com/floridasedan/ =0D
> > > =0D
> > > More information about Packet Radio via: =0D
> > > www.packetradio.com =0D
> > > =0D
> > > I will be glad to help any and all. =0D
> > > [email protected] =0D
> > > n4wfh@kf4hfr.#swfl.fl.usa.noam =0D
> > > 941.423.4661 (evening after 18:00) =0D
> > > =0D
> > > After building this list, I'll send it to each participate. =0D
> > > I'm always open for suggestions to make this procedure work more =0D
> > > efficiently. The primary goal being to deliver, accurately, via =0D
> > Amateur =0D
> > > Radio, NTS traffic to it's destination in the shortest time =0D
period. =0D
> > > =0D
> > > 73, Bob N4WFH =0D
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> > > [email protected] =0D
> > > n4wfh@kf4hfr.#swfl.fl.usa.noam =0D
> > > Peace River Repeater Asso. (Webmaster) =0D
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