[FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:

jdaughtry [email protected]
Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:38:49 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) 

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-------Original Message-------=0D
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From: [email protected]=0D
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:58:17 PM=0D
To: FADCA List=0D
Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
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John,=0D
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Also What Town do you live in?=0D
Do you have packet?=0D
If so do you have a Home PBBS?=0D
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If you didn't get the original message I sent I will be happy to send it=0D
again. It has an attachment with all the Florida zip codes and associated=
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City's.=0D
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PS: I saw the msg to Bud a with Zip codes that you can handle traffic to.=
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can build the list from that msg unless you have some free time.=0D
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Bob N4WFH=0D
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----- Original Message -----=0D
From: "jdaughtry" <[email protected]>=0D
To: <[email protected]>=0D
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 09:18=0D
Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
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> I can and do handle nts into and out of the following counties=0D
> Sumter=0D
> Citrus=0D
> northern Polk=0D
> Hernando=0D
> i also have a route to a voice nts hound=0D
> John=0D
> ----- Original Message -----=0D
> From: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>=0D
> To: <[email protected]>=0D
> Cc: "Phyllis Ann West, KA4FZI" <[email protected]>; "earl e leach"=0D
> <[email protected]>=0D
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:51 AM=0D
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
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> > > NTS traffic may cycle through VHF/DIGITAL HF/DIGITAL VHF/VOICE=0D
HF/VOICE=0D
> > and=0D
> > > back again until it reaches it's destination.=0D
> > > My idea is to not have NTS traffic sent to a PBBS and HOPE someone=0D
> > delivers=0D
> > > it.=0D
> >=0D
> > Bob - you are absolutely correct - that is precisely why we don't put=
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NTS=0D
> > traffic out on the local packet networks unless we have an assigned N=
TS=0D
> Home=0D
> > for it. If we do that blindly it dies a slow death. We don't have tha=
t=0D
> all=0D
> > set up yet in Florida because we (1) don't have enough BBS, (2) don't=
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have=0D
> > enough NTS folks on digital and (3) don't have enough backbones in pl=
ace=0D
> to=0D
> > get all around the network.=0D
> >=0D
> > Did you read about that on the FADCA web pages?=0D
> >=0D
> > If you like I can send you the list of NTS Home BBS w/ZIPs as it stan=
ds=0D
> now.=0D
> > That is certainly a place to start.=0D
> >=0D
> > That said, right now, my converting from Conventional Winlink on HF t=
o=0D
> WL2K=0D
> > is not complete as I've not got the packet side of WL2K working yet -=
=0D
too=0D
> > busy with other stuff! So, my participating in the auto switching of=0D
NTS=0D
> > addresses has come to a halt until I get the packet side going. My=0D
plan=0D
> > was to have the N3PPC BBS become the NTS switch (taking over the=0D
function=0D
> I=0D
> > did) as he is also on the packet network. We can use other NTS switch=
es=0D
on=0D
> > the packet network as well. (NTS "switch" is only a routing function=0D
based=0D
> > on NTS addressing.)=0D
> >=0D
> > Of course the packet network is not quite all complete (not all=0D
backbones=0D
> > get us everywhere yet), and we don't have BBS at all LANS, nor do we=0D
have=0D
> > NTSers on packet everyplace. That is what needs to be worked on for=0D
sure.=0D
> >=0D
> > Meanwhile....=0D
> >=0D
> > We have Earl WX4J (near JAX) who is the NFL STM on Classic Winlink HF=
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and=0D
> > on the packet network. You might want to be sure you are working with=
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> him.=0D
> > He, Phil KF4FZI near Ft. Myers(?), N4XEO Bill in Ft. Pierce, Nick N4S=
S=0D
> > (Pensacola) and I all guarded a 40M pactor frequency to transfer NTS=0D
> > messages around the state. That was all Classic Winlink and will stil=
l=0D
> work=0D
> > as a way to get traffic over distances. N4SS is ill and likely will n=
ot=0D
> be=0D
> > back on the air, N4XEO should be back on soon, and I don't know if Ph=
il=0D
is=0D
> > still monitoring or not. It would be good to keep that 40M PacTOR lay=
er=0D
> > (yes, it is just another layer) going for NTS traffic as well as=0D
> EOC-to-EOC=0D
> > traffic until we get the rest of the network integrated.=0D
> >=0D
> > I'm not discouraging what you want to accomplish - only feel you may =
be=0D
> > going off in a direction that will dilute a system that is (almost)=0D
> already=0D
> > there. I recommend you see if you can tie this all together rather th=
an=0D
> > start something that might not integrate into the packet network late=
r.=0D
> We=0D
> > just don't have enough folks interested to have disparate systems.=0D
> >=0D
> > 73,=0D
> > bud N0IA=0D
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> > ----- Original Message -----=0D
> > From: "Stacey & Bob H." <[email protected]>=0D
> > To: "FADCA List" <[email protected]>=0D
> > Cc: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>=0D
> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 21:42=0D
> > Subject: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
> >=0D
> >=0D
> > > >Bob- you may be re-inventing the wheel... What you want to accompl=
ish=0D
> > needs=0D
> > > to be done, >but it may be closer at hand than you think.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Bud=0D
> > >=0D
> > > What I want to accomplish is to use a digital mode to send to anoth=
er=0D
> > > Amateur interested in delivery or re transmittal of NTS traffic. Th=
e=0D
way=0D
> > the=0D
> > > Digital system is presently NTS traffic goes to it's destination an=
d=0D
> sits=0D
> > > until it expires without delivery or doesn't make it to the=0D
destination=0D
> > PBBS=0D
> > > because their is no path. This is unacceptable.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I'm not trying to re invent the wheel. I'm trying to spread the loa=
d=0D
of=0D
> > NTS=0D
> > > traffic I receive to other participating Amateurs. The Traffic is=0D
being=0D
> > sent=0D
> > > to a specific Amateur whom has agreed to deliver or pass on NTS=0D
traffic.=0D
> > > This will insure that the NTS Traffic will be sent from one Amateur=
 to=0D
> > > another until delivery.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > NTS traffic may cycle through VHF/DIGITAL HF/DIGITAL VHF/VOICE=0D
HF/VOICE=0D
> > and=0D
> > > back again until it reaches it's destination.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > My idea is to not have NTS traffic sent to a PBBS and HOPE someone=0D
> > delivers=0D
> > > it. My idea is to build a list of Amateurs that will accept NTS=0D
traffic=0D
> > sent=0D
> > > to them for delivery or passage on to another Amateur until deliver=
ed.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Bob N4WFH=0D
> > >=0D
> > > ---- Original Message -----=0D
> > > From: bud thompson=0D
> > > To: Stacey & Bob H. ; Frank AC4MK ; WB4TOV Harold ; KG4KCB Harry ;=0D
> > KA4TTS=0D
> > > Jack ; KD4GR Jim ; KF4OPT Jimmy ; AD4IH Joe ; WA9VND Laura ; K4LNP=0D
Mark=0D
> ;=0D
> > > WX4H Mort ; KD4CQG Phyllis ; W4AAA Randy ; KQ4AZ Rick ; K4DWF Tom ;=
=0D
> WB2FGL=0D
> > > Tony ; WD4IUD Walt ; KE4VBA Warren ; K4DDY Wolf ; Bill W4HCS ; N4EP=
=0D
Bill=0D
> ;=0D
> > > N4LTT Bill ; WR4FSU Bob ; K9SHT Bruce ; Wilbur AB4XK ; AA4CH ; NR2F=
=0D
> > Charlie=0D
> > > ; WD4GDB Chet ; AE4MR Dave ; N4GMU Dave ; KB4MON Dennis ; N9MN Don =
;=0D
> Earl=0D
> > > K4FQU ; Ed ; W4WYR Evelyn=0D
> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 21:07=0D
> > > Subject: Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Deltona=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Monday Feb 17 2050EST=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Bob- you may be re-inventing the wheel... What you want to=0D
accomplish=0D
> > > needs to be done, but it may be closer at hand than you think.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I encourage a coordinated effort of getting NTS folks on digital -=0D
we=0D
> > can=0D
> > > use all the experienced message handling people we can get. Get out=
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the=0D
> > > laptops/tncs/(soundcards)/2M radios and set up a portable packet to=
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use=0D
> at=0D
> > > shelters, hospitals, incident command. Also be sure an experienced=0D
> > traffic=0D
> > > handler/packet operator is on duty at your EOC.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I suggest the following reading - it won't take long=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > go to www.fadca.org=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Then click on Packet Articles about half way down in the left pane.=
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> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Read "NTS MESSAGES ON THE DIGITAL NETWORKS" which is simply the=0D
> > protocol=0D
> > > to be used for NTS on digital. Then read "STATUS OF DIGITAL NTS IN=0D
> > FLORIDA"=0D
> > > which explains (1) the way it should/could be and (2) the way it=0D
> actually=0D
> > > is. The main problem is we don't have enough BBS on line on the=0D
Layered=0D
> > > Packet Network. If each LAN had an active BBS and each of those had=
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> > active=0D
> > > folks watching for NTS traffic it would work swell.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > We do not need 7+ to handle NTS messages. BBS-to-BBS binary=0D
> compression=0D
> > > will do the work just fine. FBB BBS handles/routes NTS messages jus=
t=0D
> > fine,=0D
> > > providing we have "NTS friendly" BBS in a lot of communities. I'd=0D
like=0D
> > > nothing more than to have that here on the Layered Network as there=
=0D
are=0D
> > many=0D
> > > NTS messages that go wanting on the 75M fone net (3940) most mornin=
gs.=0D
> We=0D
> > > could just take them and put them on packet - IF we had BBS all ove=
r.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I suggest we all get together and support the layered packet networ=
k=0D
> in=0D
> > > our communities. Get you ham club/ARES group to sponsor/support a=0D
> > > LAN/switch. Get a BBS on each LAN and the NTS traffic should flow=0D
just=0D
> > > fine.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I may comment more on this reference note later.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > 73,=0D
> > >=0D
> > > bud N0IA=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > PS: All that said, my main focus for digital messaging for EMCOMMs=0D
is=0D
> > with=0D
> > > E-mail - that would include the traditional NTS role of Health and=0D
> Welfare=0D
> > > messages. Guess you might as well also read "Whither Goest NTS?"at=0D
the=0D
> > same=0D
> > > web site.=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> >=0D
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> > > ----- Original Message -----=0D
> > > From: Stacey & Bob H.=0D
> > > To: Frank AC4MK ; WB4TOV Harold ; KG4KCB Harry ; KA4TTS Jack ;=0D
KD4GR=0D
> > Jim=0D
> > > ; KF4OPT Jimmy ; AD4IH Joe ; WA9VND Laura ; K4LNP Mark ; WX4H Mort =
;=0D
> > KD4CQG=0D
> > > Phyllis ; W4AAA Randy ; KQ4AZ Rick ; K4DWF Tom ; WB2FGL Tony ; WD4I=
UD=0D
> Walt=0D
> > ;=0D
> > > KE4VBA Warren ; K4DDY Wolf ; Bill W4HCS ; N4EP Bill ; N4LTT Bill ;=0D
> WR4FSU=0D
> > > Bob ; K9SHT Bruce ; N0IA Bud ; Wilbur AB4XK ; AA4CH ; NR2F Charlie =
;=0D
> > WD4GDB=0D
> > > Chet ; AE4MR Dave ; N4GMU Dave ; KB4MON Dennis ; N9MN Don ; Earl K4=
FQU=0D
;=0D
> > Ed=0D
> > > ; W4WYR Evelyn=0D
> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 17:43=0D
> > > Subject: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > ----- Original Message -----=0D
> > > From: Stacey & Bob H.=0D
> > > To: Bud N0IA ; Bill N4XEO ; Eric KB6YNO ; Robin VE3VVS ; Billy=0D
N4UF=0D
> ;=0D
> > > Chuck Hast ; Wilbur AB4XK ; Charles NR2F ; Earl K4FQU ; Bill KC7TSG=
=0D
> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:48=0D
> > > Subject: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Hello everyone, for those that don't know me. My name is Bob N4WFH=0D
> in=0D
> > > North Port, Fl. I'm the sysop for the KF4HFR Packet BBS. I enjoy=0D
> > > ARES/NTS and Packet Radio.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > :Belief=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I don't believe Packet Radio can reliably get NTS traffic=0D
delivered=0D
> to=0D
> > > the intended recipient. However, Packet Radio can be reliably used=0D
> to=0D
> > > send NTS traffic to designated Amateur Radio operators at a Packet=0D
> BBS=0D
> > > or directly to an Amateur Radio Packet station as a text file=0D
using=0D
> 7+=0D
> > > or YAPP transfer protocol, where it can be delivered or passed=0D
> along.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > :NTS List=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I would like develop an list of Amateur Radio Operators whom have=0D
> VHF=0D
> > > packet capability and regularly participate in the NTS system=0D
either=0D
> > > VHF/HF, Digital/Voice.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > :How to use the list=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I receive as many as twenty NTS msg's a day into KF4HFR packet BBS=0D
> > > during events or Holiday times of the year. I cannot put all these=0D
> > > msg's on voice Nets myself. I want to build an list of Amateurs=0D
> > willing=0D
> > > to help in passing these messages via Amateur Radio. From this=0D
list=0D
> I=0D
> > > will build forwarding files that will separate the NTS traffic=0D
into=0D
> > > different files. Theses files will be sent to Amateurs based on=0D
the=0D
> > > information they submit in the list, using the following=0D
guidelines.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > First, they will be sent to the Amateur in the delivery area.=0D
> Second,=0D
> > > if no particular Amateur is listed in the delivery area. They're=0D
> sent=0D
> > > to whom is closest to the delivery area. Third, if the message is=0D
> out=0D
> > > of Florida they will be sent to those with HF capabilities.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > These messages will be sent to an Amateur Radio Operator at their=0D
> > local=0D
> > > Packet BBS as a 7+ file or via directly connecting to a Packet=0D
Radio=0D
> > > Station. This will alleviate a copy of the message on every PBBS=0D
it=0D
> > > passes through where others might try to deliver.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I due not want messages sent to a Packet BBS destination hoping an=0D
> > > Amateur will pick them up. They need to be sent to a specific=0D
> Amateur=0D
> > > willing to handle traffic.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > :Attached files=0D
> > >=0D
> > > 1. flzipcodes.txt =3D This is an Alphabetical list of City's with=0D
> their=0D
> > > zip codes for Florida. When determining which City's you can=0D
> deliver.=0D
> > > Please include all zip codes for that City.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > When I compile all the information from various Amateurs and=0D
> associate=0D
> > > Callsigns with zip codes. You will be able to use notepad to=0D
search=0D
> > for=0D
> > > the Amateur closest to the destination.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > 2. SWFDG.GIF =3D this is the current SWFDG network. The heavy dark=0D
> lines=0D
> > > and yellow areas are proposed.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > 3. Pkt_net.gif =3D this shows the FPAC network that is connected to=
=0D
> > > SWFDG.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > 4. Nodelist.htm =3D this is the SEDAN Network that can be used to=0D
> > connect=0D
> > > to another packet station directly. This might work if there isn't=0D
a=0D
> > > Packet network between you an the destination Amateur.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > Note: I use this Network to connect to an Amateur in Sarasota that=0D
> > > takes NTS traffic.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > 5. n4wfh.txt =3D My information. Please build yours using notepad=0D
and=0D
> > > attach to a msg back to me. It will make it easier to use later.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > :Information=0D
> > >=0D
> > > More information can be obtained about the Packet Network close to=0D
> you=0D
> > > via:=0D
> > > F.A.D.C.A.: http://www.fadca.org=0D
> > >=0D
> > > More Information can be obtained via the SEDAN network near you=0D
via:=0D
> > > http://www.geocities.com/floridasedan/=0D
> > >=0D
> > > More information about Packet Radio via:=0D
> > > www.packetradio.com=0D
> > >=0D
> > > I will be glad to help any and all.=0D
> > > [email protected]=0D
> > > n4wfh@kf4hfr.#swfl.fl.usa.noam=0D
> > > 941.423.4661 (evening after 18:00)=0D
> > >=0D
> > > After building this list, I'll send it to each participate.=0D
> > > I'm always open for suggestions to make this procedure work more=0D
> > > efficiently. The primary goal being to deliver, accurately, via=0D
> > Amateur=0D
> > > Radio, NTS traffic to it's destination in the shortest time=0D
period.=0D
> > >=0D
> > > 73, Bob N4WFH=0D
> > >=0D
> > > [email protected]=0D
> > > n4wfh@kf4hfr.#swfl.fl.usa.noam=0D
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