[Elecraft] Bad Assumptions

Joshua Gould jg.k8wxa at gmail.com
Tue Feb 17 14:33:19 EST 2015 

Rick,

Actually, no, I had never opened that up.  I actually started reading the
programmers refrence and I was playing around in the KX3 Utility and
couldn't get any of my commands to work, but I think that's more of a I
need todo a bit of reading and go from there.

I'll have to play around with the control panel, but that' all I need is
another window... Hihi.

72,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
EM89pn

KX3# 7465

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Rick Prather <rprather at mac.com> wrote:

> Joshua,
>
> You say that "RUMlog offers very little in the arena for rig control".
>
> Have you looked at the "K3 Control" panel in the Transceiver menu?
>
> It offers many functions for rig control and what it doesn't have pre-set
> up you can use by  making and storing macros.
>
> The macro buttons is where I keep EQ stettings, Mic selections. control of
> the Text button, and splits.
>
> RUMlog satisfies just about all my needs for computer control including
> accessing the front panel memory buttons.
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Joshua Gould <jg.k8wxa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to chime in on this one.
> >
> > As a somewhat new General Class operator and new KX3 owner, My KX3 has
> only
> > been disconnected from the laptop on my desk if I am either not home and
> > have the laptop and not the radio with me. Other than that it's connected
> > so that I don't have to enter the frequency, or mode into my Logging
> > software.  RUMLog offers very little in the arena of rig control, so I do
> > almost all of my control from the radio. I can double click on a DX Spot
> > and it will QSY the radio and change the mode but that's it.
> >
> > The radio that I borrowed from another ham when I first upgraded my
> license
> > was an Icom IC-765 that I had no way to interface to the computer.  All
> of
> > my logs from those contacts are a generic 14.000 type of frequency... I'm
> > glad I can interface the KX3 to the computer and get the correct
> > information...
> >
> > 72,
> > Joshua Gould
> > K8WXA
> > EM89pn
> >
> > KX3# 7465
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:05 AM, <dmoes at nexicom.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I somewhat agree that there is a lower ratio of computer connected
> users
> > > than one would think.    Some time ago I asked around the club who had
> > > computer hookup and who did not.  I then did a presentation on logging
> > > software  using Logger32. and later with N1MM  this was a few years
> ago.
> > >
> > > My findings were that most did not have the computer connected for CAT
> > > control.    those that had older rigs didn't,  Id say less than a half
> > with
> > > newer rigs were connected.  Some using the yeasu DMU  (if that counts
> as
> > a
> > > computer)     even some that did digital only had just  the audio
> > > connections no RS232.  myself included before I had the K3.
> > >
> > > For the Contesters the ratio was higher    probably half    Most of our
> > > contesters are casual  but even a few of the more intense contesters
> > still
> > > have no RS232 or equivalent connected.   they manually entered the band
> > > into their software.
> > >
> > > Almost all of these members have computers in the shack.     I think in
> > > some cases is they feel that since they have never had it before they
> > don't
> > > want it now.  others have said    "the radio has knobs to control it
> why
> > > bother with a computer"     some just say "Oh I'm not a computer person
> > and
> > > don't understand that stuff"       I think there are some
> misconceptions
> > > out there   one being that if you hook a radio up to the computer you
> > have
> > > to control it that way.    I blame HRD for this  as it sure makes it
> look
> > > that way even though its still not the case. the other is that its
> > > complicated and difficult.   Many don't really understand the potential
> > of
> > > using some level of computer connection.  In my case its very little
> > > mostly just the information gathering like mode frequency etc  and
> using
> > > the band map and Packet cluster feed and being able to just click and
> > > automatically tune to a new or interesting spot.    Today I think the
> > ratio
> > > of those that have a connected computer is going up.   I often offer
> > > assistance in this.
> > >
> > > There are only two of us that have K3s  in the club.  I've had mine for
> > > several years and the other member has only had his for a month or
> so.  (
> > > Hi Ken.)  both of us have computer connections.
> > >
> > > I would assume however  and yes this is an assumption that since the K3
> > > is a complex rig that is most often purchased by those that are more
> than
> > > just the occasional ham, I suspect that the number of people with RS232
> > > connections is significantly higher than my findings covering members
> > that
> > > own a broad range of radio types.  Personally   I couldn't wait to get
> a
> > > rig that could be hooked up   the K3s predecessor was a TS430s which
> cant
> > > be connected.
> > >
> > > For those that have a computer in the shack for logging but don't have
> > the
> > > serial connection,  give it a try.  It offers allot of conveniences
> that
> > > you might not recognize until you use it.  If you are logging with just
> > > about any half decent logging software it probably will connect  just
> > fine,
> > > even if just for information gathering.
> > >
> > > If you dont have an RS232 port on your computer  you can add either a
> USB
> > > to RS232 adapter or better a multi port PCI or PCIE serial adapter,
> > these
> > > all can be had for less than $30  and much-much  less if you buy
> online.
> > >
> > >
> > > David Moes
> > > VE3DVY
> > >
> > >
> > >  --- Original message ---
> > >> Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions
> > >> From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
> > >> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015  8:10 PM
> > >>
> > >> There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a
> > >> transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time.
> > >>
> > >> That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams
> operate
> > >> their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home.
> > This
> > >> may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this rule include
> > while
> > >> updating firmware.
> > >>
> > >> This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's
> > the
> > >> best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" and
> > >> someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my
> > favorite
> > >> software and everything works great."
> > >>
> > >> I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like
> this.
> > A
> > >> response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or at
> > least, it
> > >> assumes far too much.
> > >>
> > >> I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by
> the
> > >> original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that
> > requires
> > >> a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear about
> whether
> > a
> > >> computer can be part of the solution.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Al  W6LX
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