[Elecraft] Bad Assumptions

Rick Prather rprather at mac.com
Tue Feb 17 14:19:54 EST 2015 

Joshua,

You say that "RUMlog offers very little in the arena for rig control".

Have you looked at the "K3 Control" panel in the Transceiver menu?

It offers many functions for rig control and what it doesn't have pre-set
up you can use by  making and storing macros.

The macro buttons is where I keep EQ stettings, Mic selections. control of
the Text button, and splits.

RUMlog satisfies just about all my needs for computer control including
accessing the front panel memory buttons.

Rick
K6LE


On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Joshua Gould <jg.k8wxa at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm going to chime in on this one.
>
> As a somewhat new General Class operator and new KX3 owner, My KX3 has only
> been disconnected from the laptop on my desk if I am either not home and
> have the laptop and not the radio with me. Other than that it's connected
> so that I don't have to enter the frequency, or mode into my Logging
> software.  RUMLog offers very little in the arena of rig control, so I do
> almost all of my control from the radio. I can double click on a DX Spot
> and it will QSY the radio and change the mode but that's it.
>
> The radio that I borrowed from another ham when I first upgraded my license
> was an Icom IC-765 that I had no way to interface to the computer.  All of
> my logs from those contacts are a generic 14.000 type of frequency... I'm
> glad I can interface the KX3 to the computer and get the correct
> information...
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
> EM89pn
>
> KX3# 7465
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:05 AM, <dmoes at nexicom.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > I somewhat agree that there is a lower ratio of computer connected users
> > than one would think.    Some time ago I asked around the club who had
> > computer hookup and who did not.  I then did a presentation on logging
> > software  using Logger32. and later with N1MM  this was a few years ago.
> >
> > My findings were that most did not have the computer connected for CAT
> > control.    those that had older rigs didn't,  Id say less than a half
> with
> > newer rigs were connected.  Some using the yeasu DMU  (if that counts as
> a
> > computer)     even some that did digital only had just  the audio
> > connections no RS232.  myself included before I had the K3.
> >
> > For the Contesters the ratio was higher    probably half    Most of our
> > contesters are casual  but even a few of the more intense contesters
> still
> > have no RS232 or equivalent connected.   they manually entered the band
> > into their software.
> >
> > Almost all of these members have computers in the shack.     I think in
> > some cases is they feel that since they have never had it before they
> don't
> > want it now.  others have said    "the radio has knobs to control it why
> > bother with a computer"     some just say "Oh I'm not a computer person
> and
> > don't understand that stuff"       I think there are some misconceptions
> > out there   one being that if you hook a radio up to the computer you
> have
> > to control it that way.    I blame HRD for this  as it sure makes it look
> > that way even though its still not the case. the other is that its
> > complicated and difficult.   Many don't really understand the potential
> of
> > using some level of computer connection.  In my case its very little
> > mostly just the information gathering like mode frequency etc  and using
> > the band map and Packet cluster feed and being able to just click and
> > automatically tune to a new or interesting spot.    Today I think the
> ratio
> > of those that have a connected computer is going up.   I often offer
> > assistance in this.
> >
> > There are only two of us that have K3s  in the club.  I've had mine for
> > several years and the other member has only had his for a month or so.  (
> > Hi Ken.)  both of us have computer connections.
> >
> > I would assume however  and yes this is an assumption that since the K3
> > is a complex rig that is most often purchased by those that are more than
> > just the occasional ham, I suspect that the number of people with RS232
> > connections is significantly higher than my findings covering members
> that
> > own a broad range of radio types.  Personally   I couldn't wait to get a
> > rig that could be hooked up   the K3s predecessor was a TS430s which cant
> > be connected.
> >
> > For those that have a computer in the shack for logging but don't have
> the
> > serial connection,  give it a try.  It offers allot of conveniences that
> > you might not recognize until you use it.  If you are logging with just
> > about any half decent logging software it probably will connect  just
> fine,
> > even if just for information gathering.
> >
> > If you dont have an RS232 port on your computer  you can add either a USB
> > to RS232 adapter or better a multi port PCI or PCIE serial adapter,
> these
> > all can be had for less than $30  and much-much  less if you buy online.
> >
> >
> > David Moes
> > VE3DVY
> >
> >
> >  --- Original message ---
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions
> >> From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
> >> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015  8:10 PM
> >>
> >> There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a
> >> transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time.
> >>
> >> That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate
> >> their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home.
> This
> >> may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this rule include
> while
> >> updating firmware.
> >>
> >> This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's
> the
> >> best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" and
> >> someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my
> favorite
> >> software and everything works great."
> >>
> >> I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like this.
> A
> >> response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or at
> least, it
> >> assumes far too much.
> >>
> >> I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by the
> >> original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that
> requires
> >> a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear about whether
> a
> >> computer can be part of the solution.
> >>
> >>
> >> Al  W6LX
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