[Elecraft] RS232 interface

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks - Here is not the place to argue about topics like this.

End of thread.

73,

Eric
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On 10/27/2014 12:02 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>
> FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified
> the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with
> FTDI's drivers.  The did not "steal" or "destroy" the device - only
> mark it as a fraud.  The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or
> obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI
> device.
>
>> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.
>
> To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a
> small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go)
> producer.  Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the
> stolen designs to those using the stolen designs.
>
>> To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling
>> stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You
>> confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts,
>> keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times.
>
> You're wrong again.  If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with
> counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors
> for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency.
> You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate
> currency.  The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the
> Treasury where it will be destroyed.  You will be lucky if you do not
> hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Joe.
>>
>> Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-)
>>
>> Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate
>> and disable their driver.
>>
>> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your
>> government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you
>> don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and
>> you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at
>> all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the
>> currency and say nothing.
>>
>> If FTDI can't afford their own "police force" they do have the option to
>> approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting
>> stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to
>> stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because
>> there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and
>> money before principles! :-(
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregory
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM
>> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>> Cc: Elecraft List
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>>
>> Good grief......
>>
>> No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess.
>>
>> Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know?
>>
>> Gary
>> Vk1ZZ
>> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
>> On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than
>>>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you
>>> received it from someone else?  ... or should you be allowed to
>>> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole
>>> it?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>
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