[Elecraft] RS232 interface

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified
the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with
FTDI's drivers.  The did not "steal" or "destroy" the device - only
mark it as a fraud.  The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or
obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI
device.

> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.

To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a
small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go)
producer.  Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the
stolen designs to those using the stolen designs.

> To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling
> stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You
> confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts,
> keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times.

You're wrong again.  If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with
counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors
for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency.
You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate
currency.  The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the
Treasury where it will be destroyed.  You will be lucky if you do not
hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> Joe.
>
> Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-)
>
> Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate
> and disable their driver.
>
> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your
> government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you
> don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and
> you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at
> all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the
> currency and say nothing.
>
> If FTDI can't afford their own "police force" they do have the option to
> approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting
> stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to
> stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because
> there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and
> money before principles! :-(
>
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregory
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>
> Good grief......
>
> No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess.
>
> Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know?
>
> Gary
> Vk1ZZ
> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
> On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>
>>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than
>>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know?
>>>
>>
>> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you
>> received it from someone else?  ... or should you be allowed to
>> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole
>> it?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
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