[Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)

[Jack Brabham]

I'm sure that the few dozen hams on the planet that operate CW at 
ridiculous speeds are thrilled by this otherwise meaningless update.

I'd be more impressed if Elecraft could figure out how to make the K3 
handshake with an external auto-tuner, or if I could ask a basic 
question about setting the K3 up for AM and get more than the internet 
equivalent of a dumb look.

73 Jack KZ5A


On 4/28/2011 9:20 AM, Tommy wrote:
> Sorry to hear about your Dad Hector. I certainly hope he is recovering well and will continue to do so.
>
> It is pretty obvious you are NOT a QRQ operator Hector. If you were, then you would know that, first, there are no computer CW copying programs that can copy CW at speeds much over about 60 wpm. They can’t do it simply because at those speeds, it is very difficult for the programs to distinguish between the CW signal and typical atmospheric noise and noise crashes. Yes, there are some programs used by high security groups whose programs can copy CW in excess of 500 wpm, but I can assure you those programs are not available, and probably not affordable by the average ham. Your comments are very uninformed about the copying; I can tell you that I have had many QSO’s around 120 wpm and all copy was ONLY by ear.
>
> Yes, we all use a keyboard/computer to send at speeds much over 70 wpm simply because it is impractical to try to send constantly spaced and formed letters/words with a bug or keyer of any kind. I have listened to  you many times trying to send CW at ‘higher’ speeds and (not being critical), your code was awful!
>
> Instead of being negative about QRQ, why don’t you spend the time to learn how to copy CW at high speeds? Since the mid-70’s it has provided me with a heck of a lot of enjoyment in my hobby.
>
> 73,
>
> Tom – W4BQF
>
>
> From: Hector Padron
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:43 AM
> To: Tommy Alderman
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>
>
> To make a QSO at 96 wpm is not to make CW,simply you are an operator who types on a keyboard and then read the text over the screen when be replied.Real operators are the ones who by ears and by hand can TX/RX up to 60 or maybe 70.Those ones are the ones who deserve the merit.Using a software to contact some one at higher speeds is just a joke,sorry for this but been a high speed op all my life every time I hear guys at 90 or over make me feel I learned morse code for nothing when today anyone can be there pretending he/she is a good CW op.Thats far from the truth.
> Shame they deleted the morse code off the tests to be an extra class,they should have keep it or at least create a new extra class for the guys who really deserve the merit of been fast op's.Unfortunately today bands are full of CW LIDS who don't let others operate properly when dxing.
>
>
> AD4C
>
> "If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want to hear" –George Orwell
>
> From: Tommy Alderman<aldermant at windstream.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta firmware (4.36)
>
> Gary,
>
> All it takes is a 'little' practice! [:>))
>
> I don't think QRQ actually has a definition? Just like QSK really does not
> have a meaningful definition. In general I think QRQ (or high speed CW,
> whichever) begins around 40 or 50 wpm - that is the 'easy' part. The
> difficult part of learning QRQ is between about 50 and 60 wpm where you have
> to completely re-learn how to copy CW. Full QSK, in my opinion, is a
> requirement to get the full enjoyment of QSO'ing at speeds of 80 wpm and
> better. It is one of the most fun part's if this hobby that I have found.
> Unfortunately there just are not too many hams interested in putting in the
> work to learn how to copy QRQ.
>
> My K3 puts out great sounding CW up to about 96 wpm. Try it, you probably
> will enjoy it?
>
> 73,
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:50 AM
> To: Wayne Burdick
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clarification on QRQ mode changes in recent K3 beta
> firmware (4.36)
>
> Wayne,
>
> Is it true you have to be better than 19wpm to do QRQ?
>
> Grin
>
>
> Oh if only...sigh
>
> I have tried it and it works but I had to cheat a Lil Bit ok?
>
> 73's
> Gary
>
> On 28 April 2011 15:05, Wayne Burdick<n6kr at elecraft.com>  wrote:
>
>> If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
>> that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
>> of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
>> Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
>> QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
>> turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.
>>
>> We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
>> on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
>> this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
>> change to be very convenient.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
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