[Elecraft] P3 on DXpeditions (was P3 and SSTV)/DXpedition version of P3

Tue Apr 26 11:35:42 EDT 2011

To me it was all about easily providing the operator with alternatives to
nothing but the receiver alone that might ease the pressure of the
DXpedition workload.  That would have lead directly to increased throughput,
in which case everyone would win.  An experiment based on selfishness but
with fringe benefits, in other words. 

Like I said, I never got a chance to try it, but I do enough contesting and
DX work with the P3 that I was confident that I would gain something out of
it.   The P3 would have been the source of real-time, real-world, quickly
obtained, multi-band local propagation conditions to the other operators if
nothing else and a P3 on a DXpedition might be worth the weight for that
purpose alone, especially during QSB conditions when the waterfall is so
useful.  Band change decisions should have been easier.

That was my answer to the original question about why would one want to take
a P3 on a DXpedition.  Chacun à son gout.  There is no right or wrong answer
and I am in no position to provide hard evidence to support my own argument
:)  Anyone want to organize another CY0?

73,
Gary, VE1RGB

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Fatchett W0MU
Sent: April 26, 2011 11:58 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 on DXpeditions (was P3 and SSTV)/DXpedition
version of P3

I would prefer the room for other things in the travel bag instead of 
the P3.  All of the things you would like to do can be done with the 
radio alone.  In split mode you can monitor your own transmit 
frequency.  There is not much you can do about what goes on there and 
the UP UP UP ers will probably beat you to the punch.

What I see that causes the most problems in pileups is the DX not IDing 
enough and not announcing their split enough.  Even then it does not 
matter as there a  growing number of ops that can't copy cw and just see 
a spot and send away as they don't understand what up is.  On RTTY T31A 
was sending UP every contact and still people continued to call on his 
xmit frequency.

Trying to work the weak guy is admirable but I don't see how the P3 is 
going to make that any easier.  All you need to do is set a split range 
and then let the masses who blindly call do that in that range and then 
pick out stations on the edges or above the split range.  You can tune 
around in your split range for lighter stations if you want.  If you can 
easily see the weak station in a pileup the pileup can't be that big.

Don't get me wrong I love my P3 as it has put a bunch of contacts in my 
log by being able to see the last station worked.

Maybe we need a DX-pedition version of the P3.  There is no reason the 
case needs to be as bit as it is.  If the case was shrunk down to a 
third of the size I might consider taking one.

On 4/26/2011 7:38 AM, gary bartlett wrote:
> My motivation in taking a P3 to CY0 was not to overcome difficulty in
making
> QSOs.  Based on two previous DXpeditions to CY0, I was more interested in
> making my life a little easier in the face of unlimited and sustained
> pile-ups which start to get to be a bit much after three or 4 days.   I
> think the P3 would have done that for me, not to mention provided the
other
> features I mentioned earlier like, say, the ability to watch my own TX
> frequency.  I always wanted to be my own frequency cop.  Or to defeat
those
> who think that tail-gating is the only way to make a Q in a pile-up.
>
> There is another reason to use a P3 if, like me, one is used to operating
at
> home with a limited station and always being the weak signal.  When on a
> trip I like to pick some of the small signal DX who one can guess are
> equally deprived, and the P3 allows one to see those kinds of stations
quite
> easily in the pile-up.
>
> No matter --- our friends from the opposite side of the planet are going
to
> provide us a report after their experiment.  Maybe we will discover that
> ears are the only answer.
>
> 73,
> Gary, VE1RGB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Alsop
> Sent: April 26, 2011 9:29 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 on DXpeditions (was P3 and SSTV)
>
> You're going to do this while running a pileup 1000 callers deep?
>
> DXpeditions exist to make QSO's, not watch TV.
>
> If a DXpedition is having trouble making QSO's, a P3 isn't the answer.
> Improving their antenna(s) and being aware of propagation most likely is.
>
> 73 DE Brian/K3KO
>
> On 4/26/2011 12:08, Cady, Fred wrote:
>> You can Hold CENTER and move the DX station's freq to the left edge of
>> the display and set SPAN so the pileup is spread across the whole
>> display. The two controls interact some but it is easy to do while you
>> are listening to figure out the operator's pattern.
>
>
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