[Elecraft] OT (Yamaha Cm 500)
Ron D'Eau Claire
ron at cobi.biz
Wed Nov 17 14:04:58 EST 2010
Another issue that confounds shaping the audio is the other rig. All SSB
receivers in common use today have fairly aggressive filters in the I.F. How
a signal sounds is highly influenced by this filter and how the signal is
position in the distant receiver's passband.
And then, of course, is the likelihood of some audio shaping at the other
end, either in the receiver audio system or the listener's ears ;-)
I use Alan's technique to look at the transmitted spectrum on the P3 to
ensure I'm being somewhat rational about my adjustments, but my "ultimate"
check is to play back my voice using the KDVR3 and listen to myself on
another *wide band* receiver. I have an old portable AM/SSB/CW/FM receiver
that has minimal filtering and a halfway decent audio channel when fed into
phones. I adjust the equalizer to sound good on that.
Ron AC7AC
-----Original Message-----
Thanks guys.
> Yes, I agree that Alan is doing way too much cut on the low end.
I should have mentioned that the microphone is a computer-type headset
with a boom mic, which probably has no frequency shaping at all. Plus I
have a rather deep voice so, between those two factors, I no doubt need
more bass suppression than most.
> Also a response to Alan's suggestion of tuning for flat spectrum on the
> display. IF, and ONLY IF, the spectrum display is providing a VERY FAST
> and very reliable peak and hold response, that is a potentally useful
> way to START. The problem is that most displays are averaging,
I was using the peak mode on the P3 with averaging turned off. The peak
is basically instantaneous, limited only by the bandpass filter in front
of the FFT, about 4 kHz (+/- 2 kHz from the RF center frequency) at the
narrowest spans. The hold time is infinite until you manually reset it.
> But it is NEVER wise to depend
> only on any form of spectral response display to set EQ. The final test
> instrument must always be our ears and the grey matter between them.
I should use the K3's DVR to send a test signal and listen on my TR7.
The thing is, listening is so highly subjective that I figured that I'd
get better accuracy using a spectrum display.
Alan
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 23:00 -0800, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 11/16/2010 10:19 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > > I ended up with:
> > >
> > > 50 Hz -16 dB
> > > 100 Hz -16 dB
> > > 200 Hz -16 dB
> > > 400 Hz -10 dB
> > > 800 Hz -16 dB
> > > 1.6 kHz 0 dB
> > > 2.4 kHz +3 dB
> > > 3.2 kHz +6 dB
> >
> > I think that is doing too much cutting at the low end and not
> > enough boost at the high end. Adding 6 dB at each band from
> > 200 Hz to 3.2 KHz would make me more comfortable. Like, Jim
> > I prefer to leave 50/100 at -16 regardless as they contribute
> > nothing to communication.
>
> Joe,
>
> Yes, I agree that Alan is doing way too much cut on the low end.
>
> I meant to respond earlier to your recommendation of high boost. I've
> helped a LOT of K3 users adjust their TX audio using a CM500, and I've
> NEVER heard a CM500 that needed ANY boost EQ. I've also gotten a lot of
> very positive reports on my CM500s (I own two) and I've never used any
> boost.
>
> So I started thinking about why you might like boost -- after all,
> you're a pretty sharp engineer. I can only come up with three scenarios
> where you might prefer that. The first scenario is IF bandwidth on the
> listening station. I always listen to the other station with my IF
> bandwidth at about 2.7 - 3 kHz, because I don't want what MY RX is doing
> to color my judgment of what the other guy is transmitting. So I get him
> sounding good that way, and THEN I narrow up my IF to 1.8 kHz and listen
> again.
>
> IF you listen at 1.8 kHz bandwidth with the high end of the IF cutting
> around 2.4 kHz or below, you certainly ARE going to want a bit of boost
> on the high end, because the RX IF is rolling it off.. But if you center
> that IF a bit higher, you won't want that HF boost.
>
> The second scenario is that since CM500s are pretty inexpensive
> products, there may be a fairly wide tolerance on the response of the
> capsules. I've seen some anecdotal observations that suggest this might
> be true. I DO believe, however, that the CM500s I own, and those I've
> helped set up on the air, do NOT need HF boost.
>
> The third scenario is hearing loss. We old farts have put a lot of
> mileage on our ears, I know that I've got some hearing loss, and so do
> many of my friends my age, especially those of us who work with audio or
> radio professionally, or even as active hams. The nature of MOST
> hearing loss is that we lose the high end first, so we want more high
> end boost. I find that I need to do that with many news magazine and
> interview programs that have poorly produced audio. I find it
> professionally disgusting that the technicians who produce these
> programs have the balls to call themselves engineers when they obviously
> don't know what an equalizer is for or when to use it. But don't get me
> started. :)
>
> The reason I'm going through this is that I hear so much badly distorted
> audio and splatter during contests, and the LAST thing that we need is
> HF boost to produce more of it when the mic is already providing that
> boost, and the CM500s I've heard DO have that HF boost built in.
>
> Also a response to Alan's suggestion of tuning for flat spectrum on the
> display. IF, and ONLY IF, the spectrum display is providing a VERY FAST
> and very reliable peak and hold response, that is a potentally useful
> way to START. The problem is that most displays are averaging, and the
> average power of human speech is greatest in the lower octaves, so an
> averaging display should NOT look flat. But it is NEVER wise to depend
> only on any form of spectral response display to set EQ. The final test
> instrument must always be our ears and the grey matter between them.
>
> 73, Jim Brown K9YC
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