[Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation

Sat Feb 13 15:44:22 EST 2010

I would beg to differ.  As a past owner of an FT-2000d with the DMU-2000 "pan adapter" I have to say 1 - that pan adapter was FAR MORE than what Elecraft has described the P3 would do.  It was a logging system, it was a rotor control with world map, it was an AF scope, it was also a pan adapter among other things. Plus, you could use it on ANY size screen.

Sure, there were features that needed serious refinement.. but when I purchased mine BRAND NEW it was still only $650 "on sale".  Of course that "sale" never seemed to end, but when it did go away for a little bit, the price never went higher than 700 or 775 dollars.

In my personal opinion, for Elecraft to charge more than $700 (if that) for a pan adapter that does only one or at best 2 functions is outrageous.  I would have thought that $500 to $650 would be the TOP number they would be targeting.

I don't know about you, but I'm not made out of money, and to even consider plunking down $1000 for a simple pan adapter is an absolute JOKE.

Yes, I will most likely purchase the P3 pan adapter, but I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that Elecraft understands that even if I have to purchase a $80-$150 LCD monitor, ALL of their competition is priced below that ridiculous mark others have talked about. 

LP-PAN kit = $176.75USD
LP-PAN assembled = $227.25USD

Software: FREE

1) Manufacturer: YAESU 
Item : DMU-2000 
Description : DATA MANAGEMENT UNIT FT-2000/950/5000 SERIES 
$869.95
Coupon: $80.00
YOUR HRO PRICE $789.95

Gigaparts:

YAESU DMU-2000
Data Management Unit for FT-2000 

Discounts included in price: $80.00 instant rebate expires 03/31/2010. 

Regular: 

$849.00

Discounts: 

-$80.00

Net Price: 

$769.00

And on and on and on.... Like I said, $500 to $650 is a FAIR price.  $700 is PUSHING it.  Just my opinion, you don't need to agree with it.

> From: k7peh at comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:39:50 -0800
> To: roncerra at earthlink.net
> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
> 
> I think the estimated $700 price is cheap. I was thinking it would be 
> closer to $1000. There is a similar product from Yaesu, the DMU-2000
> with a list price of $1400 and it does not even include the monitor which
> you must supply yourself. I think the street price is possibly under $1000
> though.
> 
> Now, we do not know how close or far apart the DMU-2000 is from the 
> P3 but it does set at least one price point. Another price point is the
> LP-PAN and sound-card plus computer configuration. If you buy an 
> external USB sound card then you are starting to get closer to the ball
> park area of the $700 (of course, depending on all kinds of factors that
> are too variable to make any close comparison). I bet though that many
> hams would gladly pay several hundred dollars more for the P3 to avoid
> the hassle of doing up their own solution using the LP-PAN approach.
> 
> About Microsoft selling Windows 7 at a profit for 50 cents! Your joking
> of course. I have a number of good friends on the Microsoft Windows
> 7 product team (I live about 4 miles from the Microsoft campus) and
> they would beg to differ with you. They have, depending on how you
> measure it which is not easy, a multi-billion dollar development effort
> that they need to recapture by selling Windows 7. Or, look at it another
> way, their first several million copies of Windows 7 are still being sold
> at a huge loss. You can actually read their shareholders reports and
> find out some of the cost for developing Windows 7.
> 
> As for me, I will buy the P3. Cost? It is not so high that it would be
> totally unreasonable I am betting.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing.
> > Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00.
> > The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are
> > so enthusiastic about Elecraft; hams may be called "cheap" but have
> > considerable discretionary spending available. The P-3 could sell for a few
> > hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are
> > talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D
> > investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D
> > investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 price being
> > tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. Yeah, many of us can and will pay
> > it, but its okay to talk about 3-400 dollars and Elecraft would do just
> > fine. Offer the company double their profitable selling price and they are
> > delighted to take it. Why not? Mail a check now? If the price is determined
> > by what we are willing to pay, consider paying less. It is okay to pay less
> > guys. 73. Ron 
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