[Elecraft] Re: The Believers

Mon Jan 21 04:00:37 EST 2008

Please don't be patronising...
Personal comments have no place on this or any other reflector.
Options held on both sides are genuine.

Stewart G3RXQ
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:33:15 -0600, Jim Brewster wrote:
> Gentlemen
> I have been on this list for about two days and have collected 
innumerable
> (and that's more than enough) gripes, complaints, whinges, 
whines, etc. to
> outfit the neighborhood kindergarten class for a school year.  I 
did not
> know that this list was created for barracks room lawyers, sea 
lawyers and
> just plain soreheads to sound off with their opinions about 
Elecraft..
> Please see your pastor, rabbi, preacher or whomever you do most 
of your
> griping to.  If you had come into my office when I was 
practicing law I
> would have had you thrown out.  I would be much happier 
representing
> Elecraft in its libel suit; remember, truth is not a defense to 
libel.  I
> would much rather have seen you in court (my Municipal Court) 
charged with
> interfering with my Elecraft kit construction.  Can't we all 
just get along.
> Your obedient servant, Jim - KE0NE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Sacco NN4X" <nn4x at embarqmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:44 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: The Believers
>
>
>> Hi Tom -
>>
>>
>> Someone can be a believer, or not, and whether you care or not 
is up to
>> you.
>>
>> However, at the risk of being accused (again) of being "on my 
high horse",
>> we all share a obligation to guide behavior towards something 
acceptable
>> to our society.  Don't you agree?   You see someone breaking 
into a car,
>> you call 911...right?  If you don't you're part of the 
problem...right?
>> Do you *LIKE* being lied to?  I'm not talking about Elecraft, 
I'm talking
>> in general terms:  Do you find that there's a benefit to you to 
business
>> with a company which takes that approach?  Would you tolerate 
that from
>> someone who claims to be your friend?  Your family?  Is there 
any
>> condition where that's a tolerable behavior?
>>
>> Personally, I don't think so, and I'm voicing my opinion.
>>
>> Now, if I was absolutely, 100% morally outraged, I'd cancel my 
order, and
>> go buy something else.  Due ONLY to what I've read/heard about 
Elecraft's
>> previous customer support, and radio performance, I'm giving 
them the
>> benefit of the doubt.
>>
>> That doesn't mean I have to accept what they're doing, or 
pretend that it
>> isn't happening, or, WORSE, try to minimize it by explaining it 
away, as
>> The Believers do.
>>
>> Given that Elecraft has the ability at any time to change their 
behavior
>> with respect to keeping their customers and perspective 
customers informed
>> regarding the status of the K3, and they have barely changed, 
I'd have to
>> take a guess that they wouldn't change a thing, if given a 
chance at "do
>> over".
>>
>> Again, there's a difference between "Things happen", and being
>> "exuberant", and keeping customers informed.  I'm calling them 
out on the
>> later, not the former.
>>
>> All IMO...
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Steve NN4X
>>
>>
>> "Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with 
forethought
>> knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in 
the
>> dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
>> they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, 
the
>> KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
>> before, and it should be obvious to anyone."
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> There is no shortage of people whose chests swell an entire cup 
size with
>> moral indignation at the mere whiff of conspiracy. And, 
according to you,
>> at the other end of the scale, are those who accept the word of 
Elecraft
>> as gospel. If in fact there are such "Believers", what do I 
care? Is it my
>> job to set them straight?
>>
>> I don't know Wayne or Eric but I am sure if they were given the 
benefit of
>> hindsight that might have gone back and changed a few things. 
To those
>> disappointed about the sub receiver - I can understand that. I 
understand
>> the complaints. Wayne and Eric are big boys and I sure they 
know that it
>> all comes with the territory.  As a result of being a customer 
for the
>> past four years with Elecraft - I just don't see them creating 
deception
>> as part of their business plan.
>>
>> If Elecraft is guilty of anything it may be all due to a 
conflict over
>> their exuberance for the K3 and a release date. Frankly, if I 
could build
>> a radio like that I would find it very difficult to contain 
myself and
>> would have stood no chance of keeping it a secret for as long 
as they did.
>>
>> Tom, AK2B
>>
>>
>> _.    _.   ...._   _.._   nn4x at embarqmail.com
>>
>>
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