Vic, I should have known to try that. I have to admit I am a little psyched by the toroids. I sort of went dormant several years ago, because it seemed ham radio became appliance operation. I was so thrilled to come across this kit, it has revitalized me. Thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a try. I have a dipper, wonder where the thing should ideally be? 73, Jim W4ATK K2 #4028 in progress