[Dxbase] dxcc worksheet?

Dave Blake dblake1 at columbus.rr.com
Fri May 27 14:54:37 EDT 2005 

I have been living with this anomaly since we went from DOS versions
to Windows.  I tried to explain it once to Jack an Dayton years ago
and wasn't able to convince him there was a problem.  I have DXCC
on 9 bands and am not working on 6 meters for band 10.  My goal
is to work as many countries on each band, mode, CW, SSB and RTTY
as I can.  Therefore with each submission I will have cards for most
bands and all 3 mode.  I check all bands and mode I have cards for
and there has always been a few RTTY contacts that it doesn't pick
up.  I do a couple of runs with DXB and with the help of some
glue, cut and paste I come up with a complete form that I Xerox.

The good news is thanks to the law of diminishing returns I have
fewer and fewer cards to submit so there is less and less doctoring
to be done these days.

73 and DX
Dave -N4DB-




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Glockner" <jglock2 at airmail.net>
To: "George Johnson" <w1zt at comcast.net>
Cc: <dxbase at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet?


> George et al,
>
> After reviewing Fred's mdb here at my QTH, it is apparent
> that exactly what you said George - is happening ... the
> 3 QSO's that Fred doesn't see come up on the worksheet
> (all RTTY QSO's) are not being used - because of the
> "checkmarking of PHONE" -- the selection process that
> I guess that Jack uses - HAS SELECTED a PHONE QSO for
> each of the 3 RTTY QSO's that Fred said was missing..
>
> Going back thru his mdb file - if I DO NOT checkmark
> PHONE -- ALL 3 of his RTTY QSO's are in fact USED in
> the worksheet -- but if I DO checkmark PHONE -- then
> Jack's selection process (for that particular band that
> the RTTY QSO's were on) -- IS SELECTING a PHONE QSO for
> that particular BAND.
>
> So, from what I can see here with Fred's mdb file -
> nothing is wrong with Jack's Logic in the DXCC Award
> module --- just how "we" think that it shud be outputting
> the worksheet - is not what shud be happening...
>
> I am surely open for any other opinions.
>
> 73 Joe wa6axe
>
> George Johnson wrote:
>
>> Ron et al,
>> This topic does get a very detailed and needs examples like yours to 
>> resolve questions.  I am also preparing a complex submission (cards and 
>> LoTW) with DXBase 2006.
>>
>> Regarding your last question about the actual DXCC credit process, yes, 
>> the 20 phone selection would make a 40 phone selection unneeded for 
>> phone.  And the 40 cw selection would have rendered the 40 phone 
>> selection unneeded for the 40m band.  The same logic applies to ignoring 
>> the 30m RTTY if 30m cw had been selected for the 30m band etc.
>>
>> In past DXBase versions, I have had occasional problems with RTTY 
>> selection when I tried these large "global" lists.  I am presently 
>> examining whether this is an issue with DXBase 2006.  I previously did 
>> what Fred outlined in his post the just ran a separate RTTY list which 
>> always surfaced the "missing" cards.
>>
>> Jack & Co. did work on the DXCC award logic as part of DXBase 2006 and it 
>> might be possible that my prior experience with RTTY (as well as Fred, 
>> K1ACL) may have been resolved in with the 2006 release.  I don't know 
>> yet.
>>
>> But your observation on the selection for the global process
>>
>>
>>
>> At 01:01 PM 5/27/2005, Ron Stordahl wrote:
>>
>>> Fred et al:
>>>
>>> I am currently working on a rather large DXCC submission. I worked FT5XO 
>>> Kerguelen on 11 band modes in their recent DXPedition and received the 
>>> paper cards for all my Q's.. Prior to this I did not have Kerguelen in 
>>> my log.
>>>
>>> On the DXCC Award Submission window in DXBase2006 I have selected 
>>> everything (Mixed, Phone CW, RTTY, Digital and all bands except 6 and 2 
>>> meters.). For Select Records From I have selected QSO log and Cards 
>>> Only. I have not selected SAT, QRP, YL, User-1 nor User-2. My additional 
>>> selections are Exclude Past Submission, Select only Valid for Field 
>>> Check and Combine RTTY and Digital. I have also selected a date of 
>>> 19950101 since I am preparing this submission for Field Checking.
>>>
>>> Doing so I find that these two Q's for which I have cards: FT5XO on 40 
>>> phone and 30 RTTY are not selected. The rest of FT5XO Q's are selected. 
>>> I would have never have noticed this except I am rather proud of getting 
>>> country number 320 with 11 band modes so I was rather alert to this one! 
>>> And it's also fresh in my mind.
>>>
>>> I have checked the log for these two Q's and they are all shown with the 
>>> correct dates (March 2005), and in other respects do not differ from the 
>>> selected ones except for the band and mode of course.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that they should have been selected, however reading the 
>>> ARRL DXCC rules it is clear that the rules are unclear!
>>>
>>> If someone who really understands the DXCC rules can comment..is it 
>>> possible that since 20 phone and 40 cw were selected that 40 phone would 
>>> not be of any DXCC value? Similarly since 40 rtty and 30 cw were 
>>> selected would 30 rtty not be of any DXCC value? That might explain it, 
>>> otherwise I am in the dark as to why these two were not selected.
>>>
>>> Ron, N5IN
>>>
>>>
>>> Alfred LaVallee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is my 2 cents worth on the same problem.  I've been sitting on the
>>>> sidelines, but have had the same problem since I started using DXBase
>>>> several versions ago.  It is rather difficult to explain details 
>>>> without
>>>> being longwinded, but here goes.
>>>> From the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I check ALL modes & all 
>>>> bands
>>>> desired, QSO log & cards only, exclude past submissions & combine RTTY 
>>>> &
>>>> Digital.  I believe that SHOULD give me my complete submission.  I 
>>>> found no
>>>> errors, but did have some QSLs that were not selected for submission. 
>>>> There
>>>> were 3 RTTY QSO missing from the report (calls or prefixes don't 
>>>> matter).
>>>> Using the summary window it was easy to verify that each was applied to 
>>>> the
>>>> right prefix, confirmed, and none were already credited for DXCC.
>>>>
>>>> After accepting that report (marking all QSOs credited) the same 
>>>> procedure
>>>> produced no new QSOs to be credited.
>>>> Starting over again; from the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I
>>>> unchecked all bands and modes EXCEPT RTTY and this produces the QSOs 
>>>> that
>>>> were originally omitted.  I now have two reports to combine for one
>>>> submission.
>>>>
>>>> Had I not keep good records (DXbase of course) and put the QSLs aside, 
>>>> I
>>>> would not have even known they were omitted.  It has been complained 
>>>> about
>>>> before by others, but seems to have just been shrugged off as operator
>>>> error.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Fred
>>>> K1ACL
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Johnson" <w1zt at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "TOM" <aa1bq at comcast.net>; <dxbase at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>> It's a little hard to tell from your notes exactly what is or is not 
>>>>> being
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> included.  Maybe a specific callsign example would help.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use the DXCC function here and it seems OK in 2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the case you mention as QSLs you know should be listed but are 
>>>>> not, a couple quick "reasons" come to mind:
>>>>> 1.  The country (log column labeled prefix) of these "QSLs" has 
>>>>> already been recognized by DXBase as being credited for DXCC.
>>>>> 2.  The actual QSO you want does not indicate that a QSL has been 
>>>>> received.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are several more possibilities as part of the selection logic 
>>>>> etc but it sounds like you may have already addressed those.
>>>>> You can check item 1 above by running the report:  Output / Standard 
>>>>> Reports  .  Look in User Designed other DXCC Related list for the 
>>>>> report dxcccredselect.rpt.  If you run this report you will see 
>>>>> everything DXBase
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "thinks" has been credited.
>>>>> Hope this helps but maybe a little more info from you could pin point 
>>>>> the direction too.
>>>>> 73, George .. W1ZT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 07:17 PM 5/25/2005, TOM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> IS anyone out there experiencing problems with the DXCC Worksheet 
>>>>>> report for submission to ARRL as i am? i have spent about 3 weeks off 
>>>>>> and on trying to get this report correct for field checking and have 
>>>>>> had numerous
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> problems getting it right? I havn't seen many posts on it except for 
>>>>>> multiple q's which i figured out, but my problem is it listing q's 
>>>>>> already
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> credited and not listing ones that should be listed for submission? I 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> gotten it down 2 two qsls i need to submit and have listed on report 
>>>>>> but for some reason Dxbase 2006 will not recognize them not matter 
>>>>>> what i try checking or unchecking in the awards field or select 
>>>>>> field? any help would
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> be appreciated here? one final note i have always done this by long 
>>>>>> hand method up to know so this may be part of my problem but don't 
>>>>>> have a clue how to correct it? TNX.....AA1BQ...TOM
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