[Dxbase] dxcc worksheet?

Fri May 27 14:32:06 EDT 2005

George et al,

After reviewing Fred's mdb here at my QTH, it is apparent
that exactly what you said George - is happening ... the
3 QSO's that Fred doesn't see come up on the worksheet
(all RTTY QSO's) are not being used - because of the
"checkmarking of PHONE" -- the selection process that
I guess that Jack uses - HAS SELECTED a PHONE QSO for
each of the 3 RTTY QSO's that Fred said was missing..

Going back thru his mdb file - if I DO NOT checkmark
PHONE -- ALL 3 of his RTTY QSO's are in fact USED in
the worksheet -- but if I DO checkmark PHONE -- then
Jack's selection process (for that particular band that
the RTTY QSO's were on) -- IS SELECTING a PHONE QSO for
that particular BAND.

So, from what I can see here with Fred's mdb file -
nothing is wrong with Jack's Logic in the DXCC Award
module --- just how "we" think that it shud be outputting
the worksheet - is not what shud be happening...

I am surely open for any other opinions.

73 Joe wa6axe

George Johnson wrote:

> Ron et al,
> This topic does get a very detailed and needs examples like yours to 
> resolve questions.  I am also preparing a complex submission (cards and 
> LoTW) with DXBase 2006.
> 
> Regarding your last question about the actual DXCC credit process, yes, 
> the 20 phone selection would make a 40 phone selection unneeded for 
> phone.  And the 40 cw selection would have rendered the 40 phone 
> selection unneeded for the 40m band.  The same logic applies to ignoring 
> the 30m RTTY if 30m cw had been selected for the 30m band etc.
> 
> In past DXBase versions, I have had occasional problems with RTTY 
> selection when I tried these large "global" lists.  I am presently 
> examining whether this is an issue with DXBase 2006.  I previously did 
> what Fred outlined in his post the just ran a separate RTTY list which 
> always surfaced the "missing" cards.
> 
> Jack & Co. did work on the DXCC award logic as part of DXBase 2006 and 
> it might be possible that my prior experience with RTTY (as well as 
> Fred, K1ACL) may have been resolved in with the 2006 release.  I don't 
> know yet.
> 
> But your observation on the selection for the global process
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:01 PM 5/27/2005, Ron Stordahl wrote:
> 
>> Fred et al:
>>
>> I am currently working on a rather large DXCC submission. I worked 
>> FT5XO Kerguelen on 11 band modes in their recent DXPedition and 
>> received the paper cards for all my Q's.. Prior to this I did not have 
>> Kerguelen in my log.
>>
>> On the DXCC Award Submission window in DXBase2006 I have selected 
>> everything (Mixed, Phone CW, RTTY, Digital and all bands except 6 and 
>> 2 meters.). For Select Records From I have selected QSO log and Cards 
>> Only. I have not selected SAT, QRP, YL, User-1 nor User-2. My 
>> additional selections are Exclude Past Submission, Select only Valid 
>> for Field Check and Combine RTTY and Digital. I have also selected a 
>> date of 19950101 since I am preparing this submission for Field Checking.
>>
>> Doing so I find that these two Q's for which I have cards: FT5XO on 40 
>> phone and 30 RTTY are not selected. The rest of FT5XO Q's are 
>> selected. I would have never have noticed this except I am rather 
>> proud of getting country number 320 with 11 band modes so I was rather 
>> alert to this one! And it's also fresh in my mind.
>>
>> I have checked the log for these two Q's and they are all shown with 
>> the correct dates (March 2005), and in other respects do not differ 
>> from the selected ones except for the band and mode of course.
>>
>> It seems to me that they should have been selected, however reading 
>> the ARRL DXCC rules it is clear that the rules are unclear!
>>
>> If someone who really understands the DXCC rules can comment..is it 
>> possible that since 20 phone and 40 cw were selected that 40 phone 
>> would not be of any DXCC value? Similarly since 40 rtty and 30 cw were 
>> selected would 30 rtty not be of any DXCC value? That might explain 
>> it, otherwise I am in the dark as to why these two were not selected.
>>
>> Ron, N5IN
>>
>>
>> Alfred LaVallee wrote:
>>
>>> Here is my 2 cents worth on the same problem.  I've been sitting on the
>>> sidelines, but have had the same problem since I started using DXBase
>>> several versions ago.  It is rather difficult to explain details without
>>> being longwinded, but here goes.
>>> From the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I check ALL modes & all 
>>> bands
>>> desired, QSO log & cards only, exclude past submissions & combine RTTY &
>>> Digital.  I believe that SHOULD give me my complete submission.  I 
>>> found no
>>> errors, but did have some QSLs that were not selected for 
>>> submission.  There
>>> were 3 RTTY QSO missing from the report (calls or prefixes don't 
>>> matter).
>>> Using the summary window it was easy to verify that each was applied 
>>> to the
>>> right prefix, confirmed, and none were already credited for DXCC.
>>>
>>> After accepting that report (marking all QSOs credited) the same 
>>> procedure
>>> produced no new QSOs to be credited.
>>> Starting over again; from the dropdown menu: output, awards, DXCC; I
>>> unchecked all bands and modes EXCEPT RTTY and this produces the QSOs 
>>> that
>>> were originally omitted.  I now have two reports to combine for one
>>> submission.
>>>
>>> Had I not keep good records (DXbase of course) and put the QSLs aside, I
>>> would not have even known they were omitted.  It has been complained 
>>> about
>>> before by others, but seems to have just been shrugged off as operator
>>> error.
>>>
>>> 73, Fred
>>> K1ACL
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Johnson" <w1zt at comcast.net>
>>> To: "TOM" <aa1bq at comcast.net>; <dxbase at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] dxcc worksheet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>> It's a little hard to tell from your notes exactly what is or is not 
>>>> being
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> included.  Maybe a specific callsign example would help.
>>>>
>>>> I use the DXCC function here and it seems OK in 2006.
>>>>
>>>> For the case you mention as QSLs you know should be listed but are 
>>>> not, a couple quick "reasons" come to mind:
>>>> 1.  The country (log column labeled prefix) of these "QSLs" has 
>>>> already been recognized by DXBase as being credited for DXCC.
>>>> 2.  The actual QSO you want does not indicate that a QSL has been 
>>>> received.
>>>>
>>>> There are several more possibilities as part of the selection logic 
>>>> etc but it sounds like you may have already addressed those.
>>>> You can check item 1 above by running the report:  Output / Standard 
>>>> Reports  .  Look in User Designed other DXCC Related list for the 
>>>> report dxcccredselect.rpt.  If you run this report you will see 
>>>> everything DXBase
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "thinks" has been credited.
>>>> Hope this helps but maybe a little more info from you could pin 
>>>> point the direction too.
>>>> 73, George .. W1ZT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 07:17 PM 5/25/2005, TOM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> IS anyone out there experiencing problems with the DXCC Worksheet 
>>>>> report for submission to ARRL as i am? i have spent about 3 weeks 
>>>>> off and on trying to get this report correct for field checking and 
>>>>> have had numerous
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> problems getting it right? I havn't seen many posts on it except 
>>>>> for multiple q's which i figured out, but my problem is it listing 
>>>>> q's already
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> credited and not listing ones that should be listed for submission? 
>>>>> I have
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> gotten it down 2 two qsls i need to submit and have listed on 
>>>>> report but for some reason Dxbase 2006 will not recognize them not 
>>>>> matter what i try checking or unchecking in the awards field or 
>>>>> select field? any help would
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> be appreciated here? one final note i have always done this by long 
>>>>> hand method up to know so this may be part of my problem but don't 
>>>>> have a clue how to correct it? TNX.....AA1BQ...TOM
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