[Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!

Sun Jan 5 20:59:32 EST 2014

Dear Chano,

That is exactly what n4dsp wants you to believe. He wrote many messages
today stating that interfacing to LoTW should be fully automated and that I
should sell the company.

There will be new versions in the future, but I want to figure out what new
features make sense in terms of effort, interest of the users but most
importantly the support required.

--Paul, KK4HD

On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:16 PM, CHANO - EA8OG <ea8og2013 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I understand in this last email that DX4WIN died about updates, what you
> have is what you get. is that, please clearly confirm this. thanks
>
> Sebastián Gámez Hernández
>         E A 8 O G
>              73´S
>
>
> 2014/1/5 n4dsp <n4dsp at triad.rr.com>
>
> > With due respect to all little change is going to occur which I am sorry
> > to say.
> > We have FINALLY heard from Paul and aware of the direction DX4WIN is
> > taking.
> > Well boys I have supported Paul and DX4WIN speaking to others informing
> > them what a great dx logging program it is and quite frankly I cannot do
> > that
> > any longer especially after what Paul had to say today. Therefore I
> > downloaded
> > and installed LOGGER 32 and like all new programs there is quite a
> > learning curve
> > but I will be much further ahead in another month than I will be with
> > DX4WIN
> > five years from now. Have been loyal to DX4WIN but it's over. Some will
> be
> > happy there will no longer see any more posts from n4dsp! LOL. Hate to
> see
> > such a great dx logging program coming to it's end and it's troublesome.
> > Made the ARRL Honor Roll with this program from my first contact to #334.
> >
> > Paul,,,,,SELL THE COMPANY.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > john / n4dsp
> >
> >
> > of
> >
> > On 1/5/2014 5:04 PM, Lou Dietrich wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> We have FINALLY heard from Paul....that is a good thing....and it sounds
> >> like he has a portion of our wish list.
> >>
> >> A few comments though....
> >>
> >> 1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into
> >> DX4WIN?
> >> 2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should
> be
> >> noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the
> >> FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard
> back. I
> >> had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for months
> awaiting
> >> assistance and nothing...this was a while after his personal
> move....yes,
> >> the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN handles these files are
> hard
> >> coded and cannot be user defined or changed. I have quite a bit of
> >> documentation in this issue....as do others. We are/ were willing to
> work
> >> with him but the effort hasn't been reciprocal.
> >> 3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSL....incorporating easy
> >> interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN.
> >> Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking.
> >> 4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users
> >> access it routinely.
> >>
> >> Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some
> >> severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more
> >> positive, productive track.
> >>
> >> However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal,
> >> paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some
> indication
> >> that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and improved.
> >>
> >> Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of
> >> other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite
> >> information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul,
> >> incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win
> >> situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and
> >> future of DX4WIN.
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Lou N2TU
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
> >>
> >>> Amen!
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-bounces@
> >>> mailman.qth.net]
> >>> On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM
> >>> To: Dx4win at Mailman.Qth.Net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
> >>>
> >>> Well said, Paul !
> >>>
> >>> 73!
> >>>
> >>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
> >>> k0pp at arrl.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk
> >>> <pvandereijk at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion!
> >>>>
> >>>> We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. I read the reflector
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so!
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW
> >>>> had
> >>>> problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation
> >>>> between
> >>>> DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and
> >>>> support
> >>>> time afterwards?
> >>>>
> >>>> 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info,
> >>>> but
> >>>> also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for
> >>>> commercial reasons. Have to rethink that.
> >>>>
> >>>> 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file
> >>>> because
> >>>> it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So
> if
> >>>>
> >>> YOU
> >>>
> >>>> have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much
> >>>> better
> >>>> chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio.
> >>>> (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my
> >>>> shack!)
> >>>>
> >>>> 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to
> >>>> describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me
> >>>> is
> >>>> that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio.
> >>>>
> >>>> 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you
> >>>> select
> >>>> the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with
> >>>> possible override). How may users have multiple rotators?
> >>>>
> >>>> 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does
> not
> >>>> indicate when / how to do this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Happy New Year!
> >>>>
> >>>> --Paul, KK4HD
> >>>>
> >>>> PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this
> >>>> reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time
> >>>>
> >>> things
> >>>
> >>>> are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM <n4nx at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of
> >>>>> DX4WIN!
> >>>>>
> >>>> I
> >>>>
> >>>>> have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing
> >>>>>
> >>>> DX4WIN
> >>>>
> >>>>> over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever
> >>>>>
> >>>> changing
> >>>>
> >>>>> to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History.
> >>>>> With
> >>>>> that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad
> >>>>> feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters
> has
> >>>>> deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think my biggest frustration & disappointment in regard to DX4win
> was
> >>>>> best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> " The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the
> >>>>>
> >>>> author
> >>>
> >>>> of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would
> >>>>> like to hear his opinion, even it is something like "dx4win is my
> last
> >>>>> priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years"(I hope
> >>>>> not saying it)..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his
> >>>>>
> >>>> customers!
> >>>
> >>>> He owes us that!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near
> >>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>> top.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Still Hoping!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73
> >>>>> Bill N4NX
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: "Lou Dietrich" <n2tu at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>> To: "DX4WIN Reflector" <dx4win at mailman.qth.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To: Ernie <w8eh.ernie at gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ernie and Group,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free
> software
> >>>>> offered by Larry N8LP....You can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and
> anything
> >>>>> else you want to linked to your rig....it works great...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'....Hi
> >>>>> Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with
> >>>>> an
> >>>>> update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!,
> >>>>> sorry, editorial comment!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators
> under
> >>>>> Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This
> was
> >>>>> reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple
> rotor
> >>>>> controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map
> >>>>> Screen
> >>>>> or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital
> programs,
> >>>>> MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software.
> >>>>> Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just
> >>>>> flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it
> >>>>> wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this
> >>>>> archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why
> >>>>> AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by
> >>>>>
> >>>> Paul.
> >>>>
> >>>>> We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to
> >>>>> another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and
> >>>>> hope someone will get this platform back on the track.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this
> topic
> >>>>> forward.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73/ Regards....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lou N2TU
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Important to me:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to
> my
> >>>>>> rig at the same time.
> >>>>>> 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
> >>>>>> 3. Easy way to add mode names myself
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ernie W8EH
> >>>>>>
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