[Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!

CHANO - EA8OG ea8og2013 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 5 19:16:42 EST 2014 

I understand in this last email that DX4WIN died about updates, what you
have is what you get. is that, please clearly confirm this. thanks

Sebastián Gámez Hernández
        E A 8 O G
             73´S


2014/1/5 n4dsp <n4dsp at triad.rr.com>

> With due respect to all little change is going to occur which I am sorry
> to say.
> We have FINALLY heard from Paul and aware of the direction DX4WIN is
> taking.
> Well boys I have supported Paul and DX4WIN speaking to others informing
> them what a great dx logging program it is and quite frankly I cannot do
> that
> any longer especially after what Paul had to say today. Therefore I
> downloaded
> and installed LOGGER 32 and like all new programs there is quite a
> learning curve
> but I will be much further ahead in another month than I will be with
> DX4WIN
> five years from now. Have been loyal to DX4WIN but it's over. Some will be
> happy there will no longer see any more posts from n4dsp! LOL. Hate to see
> such a great dx logging program coming to it's end and it's troublesome.
> Made the ARRL Honor Roll with this program from my first contact to #334.
>
> Paul,,,,,SELL THE COMPANY.
>
> Respectfully,
> john / n4dsp
>
>
> of
>
> On 1/5/2014 5:04 PM, Lou Dietrich wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> We have FINALLY heard from Paul....that is a good thing....and it sounds
>> like he has a portion of our wish list.
>>
>> A few comments though....
>>
>> 1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into
>> DX4WIN?
>> 2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should be
>> noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the
>> FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard back. I
>> had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for months awaiting
>> assistance and nothing...this was a while after his personal move....yes,
>> the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN handles these files are hard
>> coded and cannot be user defined or changed. I have quite a bit of
>> documentation in this issue....as do others. We are/ were willing to work
>> with him but the effort hasn't been reciprocal.
>> 3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSL....incorporating easy
>> interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN.
>> Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking.
>> 4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users
>> access it routinely.
>>
>> Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some
>> severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more
>> positive, productive track.
>>
>> However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal,
>> paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some indication
>> that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and improved.
>>
>> Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of
>> other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite
>> information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul,
>> incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win
>> situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and
>> future of DX4WIN.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lou N2TU
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Amen!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-bounces@
>>> mailman.qth.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM
>>> To: Dx4win at Mailman.Qth.Net
>>> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
>>>
>>> Well said, Paul !
>>>
>>> 73!
>>>
>>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>> k0pp at arrl.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk
>>> <pvandereijk at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion!
>>>>
>>>> We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief:
>>>>
>>>> 1. I read the reflector
>>>>
>>>> 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so!
>>>>
>>>> 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW
>>>> had
>>>> problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation
>>>> between
>>>> DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and
>>>> support
>>>> time afterwards?
>>>>
>>>> 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info,
>>>> but
>>>> also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for
>>>> commercial reasons. Have to rethink that.
>>>>
>>>> 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file
>>>> because
>>>> it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if
>>>>
>>> YOU
>>>
>>>> have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much
>>>> better
>>>> chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio.
>>>> (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my
>>>> shack!)
>>>>
>>>> 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to
>>>> describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me
>>>> is
>>>> that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio.
>>>>
>>>> 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you
>>>> select
>>>> the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with
>>>> possible override). How may users have multiple rotators?
>>>>
>>>> 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not
>>>> indicate when / how to do this.
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year!
>>>>
>>>> --Paul, KK4HD
>>>>
>>>> PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this
>>>> reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time
>>>>
>>> things
>>>
>>>> are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM <n4nx at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of
>>>>> DX4WIN!
>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>> have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing
>>>>>
>>>> DX4WIN
>>>>
>>>>> over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever
>>>>>
>>>> changing
>>>>
>>>>> to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History.
>>>>> With
>>>>> that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad
>>>>> feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has
>>>>> deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think my biggest frustration & disappointment in regard to DX4win was
>>>>> best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> " The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the
>>>>>
>>>> author
>>>
>>>> of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would
>>>>> like to hear his opinion, even it is something like "dx4win is my last
>>>>> priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years"(I hope
>>>>> not saying it)..."
>>>>>
>>>>> There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT
>>>>> in
>>>>> my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his
>>>>>
>>>> customers!
>>>
>>>> He owes us that!
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> top.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still Hoping!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Bill N4NX
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Lou Dietrich" <n2tu at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> To: "DX4WIN Reflector" <dx4win at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To: Ernie <w8eh.ernie at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ernie and Group,
>>>>>
>>>>> I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software
>>>>> offered by Larry N8LP....You can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything
>>>>> else you want to linked to your rig....it works great...
>>>>>
>>>>> The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'....Hi
>>>>> Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with
>>>>> an
>>>>> update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!,
>>>>> sorry, editorial comment!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under
>>>>> Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was
>>>>> reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor
>>>>> controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map
>>>>> Screen
>>>>> or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs,
>>>>> MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration...
>>>>>
>>>>> DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software.
>>>>> Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just
>>>>> flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it
>>>>> wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this
>>>>> archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why
>>>>> AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by
>>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>>> We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to
>>>>> another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and
>>>>> hope someone will get this platform back on the track.
>>>>>
>>>>> Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73/ Regards....
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou N2TU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Important to me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my
>>>>>> rig at the same time.
>>>>>> 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
>>>>>> 3. Easy way to add mode names myself
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ernie W8EH
>>>>>>
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