[Dx-qsl] VK9MT on LoTW

Sun Apr 20 18:24:09 EDT 2014

In reference to N7DC. Please look at this link:

http://www.k4hb.com/postage/

Please note: America is in Group 5 of the Country Groups.

Yes, it does cost that much for them to send a qsl.

73,
Joe WL7E

On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie at gmail.com> wrote:

> So Danny how would you raise the cash for Heard?
> Everybody so far has told me that raising money is bad.   I'm waiting for
> somebody to tell me how to raise $400,000
>
> Tom
> gm4fdm
>
> On Apr 20, 2014 6:39 PM, "Danny Douglas" <n7dc at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Any expedition, or individual who demands money for a QSL, be it LOTW, or
> > physical card, will be disqualified from DXCC.  It is against the rules
> to
> > do so.  After saying that, we have the EP operators today, all telling us
> > it costs 10 bucks plus an IRC to get their card.  They get away with it,
> > because no one wants to stand up and tell them they cant, when, at the
> same
> > time, they are telling us that their government places that rule on them.
> > Doesnt make sense.  Money PLUS and IRC  .  So if they can mail it with an
> > IRC, why the money.  It appears to me that maybe the government is
> getting
> > into that?  They should be stricken from the brotherhood of ham radio.
> > Drop it as an entity.  But, as far as expeditions, yes something needs to
> > be done, but some will also say what needs to be done is drop those
> > entities, which do not have permanent residents.  Frankly, they are NOT
> > countries.
> > Dan Douglas  N7DC
> >
> >  Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie at gmail.com>
> >  Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:51 AM
> > Well said Steve.    Some of these arm chair DXers just dont seem to get
> > it!
> >
> > The next HEARD ISLAND expedition might well be the first $1,000,000
> > expedition.   I believe one of the reasons it has been
> > postponed is that its proving difficult to raise the necessary finance.
> >
> > Not every millionaire ham who can afford to go is a good operator.
> There
> > are many very poor hams who cannot afford such
> > a trip are great operators.
> >
> > At the moment, it you look at all the major expeditions that have taken
> > place recently.    It is always the same Foundations, DX Groups and Clubs
> > who support
> > them.    If you look at the list of personal sponsors,  many of those too
> > are the same guys time after time who put their hands in their
> > pockets.
> >
> > At our recent Scottish GMDX Convention I was proud to have met Ralph K0IR
> > who presented the FT5ZM expedition.    Over dinner we discussed
> > funding.   Ralph concluded that, taking into account was I said above,
> the
> > first $150,000 is reasonable easy and sort of guaranteed.
> > Its what comes after that is difficult.
> >
> > There are many hams out there sitting in fron of the very latest rig or
> > rigs,  with big antenna farms, running big big amplifiers,
> > yet if you ask them for $10 bucks its like world war three breaking out.
> >
> > The question for me is - HOW DO WE SPREAD THE COST AMONG THE GREATER
> > AMATEUR COMMUNITY - MOST OF WHO HAVE SPONSORED NOTHING IN THEIR LIVES!
> >
> > Asking or even pleading for donations just falls on deaf ears. Amateur
> > Radio enthusiasts must be among the most stingy, selfish and tight
> > fisted bunch around.   So how do we get their dough?
> >
> > Up until now I have always tried to keep QSLing apart from expedition
> > funding as I believe that if an expedition has to rely on profit from QSL
> > activities, then it is not on a sound financial footing.   However,
> > expeditions like Heard,  Bouvet,  Peter 1, Crozet are in a different
> > league.
> >
> > Perhaps it time now to put the foot down and make a plain statement.
> > There were I believe around 40,000 unique QSOs with Amsterdam.   If
> > each of these guys and gals had to part with ten measely bucks, then the
> > organisers could have raised $400,000.
> >
> > So, why dont the Heard guys just come out and say it:
> > _
> > __QSLs for Heard will cost $10  for 1 or 21  QSOs, via OQRS._ That is the
> > only way I can think of, to spread the cost around the community.
> >
> >
> > 73 de Tom
> >
> > GM4FDM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If anybody knows another way of spreading the cost - let's hear it!
> >
> >
> >
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> >  Joe Subich, W4TV <w4tv at subich.com>
> >  Friday, April 18, 2014 6:07 PM
> >
> > Which is, of course, absurd.  VK9MT/M0URX can respond to OQRS with an
> > upload to LotW in less than two weeks.  One would expect other major
> > DXpeditions to be able to do so as well ... the OQRS QSOs are already
> > "matched" and in a form that can be signed/uploaded with little effort
> > when they receive them.
> >
> > If it's all about the money, once a DXPedition has received an OQRS
> > request they are either going to receive an extra donation in the mail
> > or they are not but waiting to upload for QSOs that are already matched
> > isn't going to increase the donation.  If anything, the longer it takes
> > for a DXPedition to upload the QORS QSOs to LotW, the less likely I am
> > to make an extra donation
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >   ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> > On 4/18/2014 5:08 PM, dx-qsl-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> >
> > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:02:47 -0500
> > From: Nelson Moyer<ku0a at mchsi.com> <ku0a at mchsi.com>
> > To: "<dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net> <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>"
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> > They're waiting for most of the online and direct contributions to
> >
> > > come in before uploading to LoTW. Typically, DXpeditions following
> > > that practice wait almost a year before uploading logs.
> >
> >
> > Nelson, KU0A
> >
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