[Dx-qsl] DXCC

Wed May 1 10:36:04 EDT 2013

Also the implication that a database comprising 30,000 records is big is too big to be easily manipulated/managed is an egregious falsehood!

73, Mike NF4L

On May 1, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Steve Lund <k6um.steve at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I for one have never seen a list of what dates TT8PK is good. I've
> had some QSLs accepted and others rejected and for dates a few days apart.
> 
> I've also had a number of FO/3D2 QSLs rejected although the same
> DXpeditioners were good for the  rarer islands.
> 
> A list would be helpful, but it would require assistance from the ARRL DXCC
> desk. Is that going to occur?
> 
> Steve, K6UM
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:20 AM, <kc5lk at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> From what I understand the information that the DXCC Desk keeps is the
>> list of approved expeditons and because of that there is no need to track
>> every expedition. If a QSO comes in from an entity or expedition that
>> requires documentation and the callsign does not show up the QSO is
>> rejected otherwise it is accepted.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have seen so many different ideas being presented over the past couple
>> of days that I have lost count.  Hams tend to be resourceful when
>> necessary, so let me propose this.  This evening I started counting the
>> number of places that I know of that publishes the  list of the most recent
>> expeditions that have been approved by the DXCC Desk and when I ran out of
>> fingers and thumbs I decided that was enough counting.  This information is
>> published either daily or weekly depending on the publication cycle which
>> means the information is there for the resourceful ham.  I then wondered
>> just how hard is it to  create some sort of spredsheet or database using a
>> simple text editor, very easy.  The only difficult part is to remember to
>> parse the data from whatever source you find it then enter it into your
>> spreedsheet or database and viola you have your own source of information.
>> 
>> 
>> John, KC5LK
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Ken Scheper" <kenshep at one.net>
>> To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com>, dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:27:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] DXCC
>> 
>> As a management consultant for 30 years, the first thing that perks my ears
>> is the old..."we've always done it like that" comment.  LOTW seems to be
>> working now and is very informative, and is re-capturing those that were
>> ready to dump the ARRL due to antiquated methods of DXCC QSL checking, and
>> non-support and responsiveness for my membership dollars, or ....bang for
>> the buck!  Glad someone woke up !!!
>> 
>> As has been stated, they finally "got it", but this project may be a bit
>> more "sticky" due to other DX entities authorizations.  I've always been
>> mystified by the DXCC.  Sometimes, as in my case, the CY0AA documentation
>> was cleared efficiently and quickly.  Where the 7O1YGF, and G3JKI/5A
>> expeditions were concerned, it took YEARS to get approved.  Some guidance
>> from them would've been helpful, other than..."sorry, the wrong person
>> signed the license".  Maybe a database maintained by DXCC of what is needed
>> for each country to be approved would make things easier.  The information
>> is out there, they just have to compose and decide on what IS truly needed.
>> 
>> I know they're jobs aren't easy, but maybe they should look at changing the
>> methods to make it easier for them and others.
>> 
>> IMHO...with still a THANK YOU to the DXCC for their efforts to make it
>> better in the future.
>> 
>> 73
>> Ken
>> WA8JOC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:30 PM
>> To: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] DXCC
>> 
>>> 
>>> Quite simply anyone that says the information doesn't exist is
>>> blowing smoke.  By Bill's own admission, there is a table in the
>>> current DXCC program that lists approved/unapproved operations
>>> and he updates it regularly - sometimes multiple times in a day.
>>> 
>>> Expecting a third party like the Lynx group to collect bulletin
>>> announcements to update a web page that does not appear to have been
>>> touched in five years is absurd on its face.
>>> 
>>> It should take a database programmer *a few hours at most* to write a
>>> report generator on the DXCC software to create a list - similar to
>>> what is done to generate the "DXCC Standings" and "DXCC Applications
>>> Received" reports that are posted at www.arrl.org/dxcc on a daily
>>> or weekly basis.
>>> 
>>> There is nothing in this request/proposal that would increase Bill
>>> Moore's work load by a single minute - that he continues to stone-
>>> wall *reasonable* sunshine in the DXCC program based on his work load
>>> is total nonsense.
>>> 
>>> I've been at this "game" for 35+ years and *never* have I felt there
>>> was less "customer focus" than has been displayed by one person than
>>> in the last couple years.
>>> 
>>>> To overcome the staff, I think members need to go to their Directors.
>>> 
>>> I have made my feelings on his matter known to my Director, ARRL
>>> Executive Management and Manager of the MVP Department (which includes
>>> the "Awards Desk"/DXCC Program).   This is not a case of "the data does
>>> not exist", "how to,"  or "time to" get the job done ... it is a simply
>>> that there is no "want to".
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/30/2013 12:00 PM, dx-qsl-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:58:29 +0000
>>>> From: VR2BrettGraham<vr2bg at harts.org.hk>
>>>> To:dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] DXCC
>>>> Message-ID:<517F1735.6020206 at harts.org.hk>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> W3WN said:
>>>> 
>>>>>> But if he & his staff simply don't have the time to maintain a public
>>>>>> database,
>>>> About seven years ago, every year I would ask for this information &
>>>> never got a reply.  No mailer-daemons coming back, so it had the
>>>> appearance of a member being ignored by staff.
>>>> 
>>>> The information already exists & to present it would take all of how
>>>> long it takes to add link pointing to & putting a copy of the file on
>>>> the ARRL web server.
>>>> 
>>>> Unless it's still on paper...
>>>> 
>>>> To overcome the staff, I think members need to go to their Directors.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, ex-VR2BG/p.
>>>> 
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