[CW] New RadioTelegraph Operator License

Wed May 22 00:41:37 EDT 2013

But why stumble all over yourself to perpetuate it?

"Lookie, lookie, everyone.....   I found the answers!"

Pezzes me the phuck off.

73, de Hans, K0HB
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:20 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea at arrl.net> wrote:

> LOL as they say now!  Hans, I trust you are joking.
>
> The answers to the amateur and commercial examinations have been published
> since around 1988 or so when the Volunteer Examiner program started!
>
> Now the purpose of both amateur exams and commercial exams is to be able
> to answer the published questions and published answers!  No kidding!  News
> Flash!  :-)  Old news for most of us.
>
> As this page<http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=question_pools>on the FCC web site states:
>
> Examination Question Pools
>
> Examination question pools, with answers, are available for downloading
> below.
>
> [Note: From time to time, the Commission may change the number of
> questions to be included in the examination for a particular element and/or
> the number of answers needed to pass the examination. The Commission will
> issue a public notice or take other actions to inform the public of any
> such change.]
>
> *Element 1* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element1.doc>)
>
> *Element 3* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element3.doc>)
>
> *Element 6* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element6.doc>)
>
> *Element 7* (Word<http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/GMDSS-GOC-EL7-Oct-2012.doc>)
>
>
> *Element 7R* (Word<http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/GMDSS-ROC-EL7R-Oct-2012.doc>)
>
>
> *Element 8 *(Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element8.doc>)
>
> *Element 9* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element9.doc>)
>  [image: Return to Top Arrow] Return to Top<http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=question_pools#top>
> Last reviewed/updated on
> 5/17/2013.
>
> Same as with the Amateur Radio examinations!
>
> Not like when I took my Novice, General, Amateur Extra, or my 3rd 'phone,
> 2nd 'phone, 1st 'phone, 2nd 'telegraph and 1st 'telegraph - now just
> "Extra", "GROL" and "Telegraph" license!
>
> One thing hasn't changed is that the code test doesn't have the answers
> published, what has changed is that NOW the Amateur Extra 20 wpm test is
> accepted for the "Radiotelegraph" license.  It never was before, nor was
> the T2 license code test acceptable for the Extra (or lower) class, however
> the T1 license code test at 25 wpm was accepted for Extra class credit (and
> I suppose for lesser grades!).
>
> Progress!
>
> v73
> David N1EA
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>   David,
>>
>> Putting up the answers is so WRONG!
>>
>> What is the purpose of the exam?  So that we can test the subject matter
>> knowledge, or to test if we can memorize the answers?
>>
>> PLEASE do not publish exam answers.
>>
>> 73, Hans, K0HB
>>
>>
>>   *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea at arrl.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:55 AM
>> *To:* CW Reflector <cw at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [CW] New RadioTelegraph Operator License
>>  The FCC no longer sees the individual examinations or the answers.  The
>> COLEM such as NARTE or W5YI/NRE (the NRE part of the group!) grade the
>> tests.  The use the answer key, so learn the WRONG answers.
>>
>> One of the answers that is wrong has to do with A2 or modulated
>> telegraphy and the reception of it.  There is an answer that is more
>> correct than the one given by the answer key and it would be chosen by
>> someone who had actually received keyed A2 transmissions like we at sea
>> did, and if they chose it, it would be marked "incorrect" - so learn the
>> answers on the answer key.
>>
>> I have asked Ghassan Khalek of the FCC to put up the answers - he didn't
>> know that this element was missing answers - but it appears that it has not
>> been done contrary to his assurances it would be done.
>>
>> He sent me the answers if I can find them.
>>
>> 73
>>  David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA <http://www.qsl.net/n1ea/>  Radio-Officers
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>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Rolfe Tessem <rolfe at ldp.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  David,
>>>
>>> Does that mean the FCC is expecting the right answers on the test or the
>>> "wrong" answers? :-)
>>>
>>> Rolfe
>>> W1VC
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>>> On May 21, 2013, at 7:01 PM, "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have a copy from FCC with the answer key, but some of the answers
>>> are incorrect, so you have to learn the wrong answers :-)
>>>
>>> 73
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>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Rolfe Tessem <rolfe at ldp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On May 21, 2013, at 3:45 PM, "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FCC License Pool Questions are freely available on their web site:
>>>>
>>>> http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=question_pools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These appear to be the same questions as those published in the W5YI
>>>> booklet. I guess the only advantage of the latter is that the answer key is
>>>> in the back.
>>>>
>>>> Rolfe
>>>> W1VC
>>>>
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>>>> http://www.luckyduckproductions.com
>>>> rolfe at ldp.com
>>>>
>>>>
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