[CW] New RadioTelegraph Operator License

Wed May 22 00:20:23 EDT 2013

LOL as they say now!  Hans, I trust you are joking.

The answers to the amateur and commercial examinations have been published
since around 1988 or so when the Volunteer Examiner program started!

Now the purpose of both amateur exams and commercial exams is to be able to
answer the published questions and published answers!  No kidding!  News
Flash!  :-)  Old news for most of us.

As this page<http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=question_pools>on
the FCC web site states:

Examination Question Pools

Examination question pools, with answers, are available for downloading
below.

[Note: From time to time, the Commission may change the number of questions
to be included in the examination for a particular element and/or the
number of answers needed to pass the examination. The Commission will issue
a public notice or take other actions to inform the public of any such
change.]

*Element 1* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element1.doc>)

*Element 3* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element3.doc>)

*Element 6* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element6.doc>)

*Element 7* (Word<http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/GMDSS-GOC-EL7-Oct-2012.doc>)

*Element 7R* (Word<http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/GMDSS-ROC-EL7R-Oct-2012.doc>)

*Element 8 *(Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element8.doc>)

*Element 9* (Word <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/element9.doc>)
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Last reviewed/updated on
5/17/2013.

Same as with the Amateur Radio examinations!

Not like when I took my Novice, General, Amateur Extra, or my 3rd 'phone,
2nd 'phone, 1st 'phone, 2nd 'telegraph and 1st 'telegraph - now just
"Extra", "GROL" and "Telegraph" license!

One thing hasn't changed is that the code test doesn't have the answers
published, what has changed is that NOW the Amateur Extra 20 wpm test is
accepted for the "Radiotelegraph" license.  It never was before, nor was
the T2 license code test acceptable for the Extra (or lower) class, however
the T1 license code test at 25 wpm was accepted for Extra class credit (and
I suppose for lesser grades!).

Progress!

v73
David N1EA

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:

>   David,
>
> Putting up the answers is so WRONG!
>
> What is the purpose of the exam?  So that we can test the subject matter
> knowledge, or to test if we can memorize the answers?
>
> PLEASE do not publish exam answers.
>
> 73, Hans, K0HB
>
>
>   *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea at arrl.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:55 AM
> *To:* CW Reflector <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [CW] New RadioTelegraph Operator License
>  The FCC no longer sees the individual examinations or the answers.  The
> COLEM such as NARTE or W5YI/NRE (the NRE part of the group!) grade the
> tests.  The use the answer key, so learn the WRONG answers.
>
> One of the answers that is wrong has to do with A2 or modulated telegraphy
> and the reception of it.  There is an answer that is more correct than the
> one given by the answer key and it would be chosen by someone who had
> actually received keyed A2 transmissions like we at sea did, and if they
> chose it, it would be marked "incorrect" - so learn the answers on the
> answer key.
>
> I have asked Ghassan Khalek of the FCC to put up the answers - he didn't
> know that this element was missing answers - but it appears that it has not
> been done contrary to his assurances it would be done.
>
> He sent me the answers if I can find them.
>
> 73
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>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Rolfe Tessem <rolfe at ldp.com> wrote:
>
>>  David,
>>
>> Does that mean the FCC is expecting the right answers on the test or the
>> "wrong" answers? :-)
>>
>> Rolfe
>> W1VC
>>
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>> On May 21, 2013, at 7:01 PM, "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I have a copy from FCC with the answer key, but some of the answers are
>> incorrect, so you have to learn the wrong answers :-)
>>
>> 73
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>> =30=
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>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Rolfe Tessem <rolfe at ldp.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  On May 21, 2013, at 3:45 PM, "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea at arrl.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> FCC License Pool Questions are freely available on their web site:
>>>
>>> http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=question_pools
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These appear to be the same questions as those published in the W5YI
>>> booklet. I guess the only advantage of the latter is that the answer key is
>>> in the back.
>>>
>>> Rolfe
>>> W1VC
>>>
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