[CW] q vs y

Fri Jan 29 18:40:29 EST 2010

Mike ...

Patience ....  no one learned calculus or how to play the piano in 2 months ..

you are in competition with NO ONE ...  don't put a time limit on what you are doing ...  

Whitey  K1VV 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michiel Wories 
  To: 'CW Reflector' 
  Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [CW] q vs y

  Very nice explanation indeed. I am indeed attempting to copy code at high speed (20wpm character speed and 10wpm overall) where I cannot comfortably count dits and dats anymore. Maybe I need to lower my overall space a bit as you are suggesting. I will give that a try and see if I can make better progress. Thank you!

  P.s. Now feel woefully inadequate since I'm on it for at least 2 months (I am at character 26 using Koch) and your students were able to do it in 2-3 days. ; )

  Michiel KF7DZF

  From: cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 37rye at usa.com
  Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:37 AM
  To: cw at mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [CW] q vs y

  Danny, that's the best explanation I've ever read..Thanks
  Bob

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DANNY DOUGLAS <N7DC at COMCAST.NET>
  To: CW Reflector <cw at mailman.qth.net>
  Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55 pm
  Subject: Re: [CW] q vs y

  The problem appears that you fellows learned the code by trying to listen and count dots and dashes.  The code is just like and language, and should be learned by the "sound" not by the shape.  Its late now, but you need to set your computers/tape decks/whatever to send to you with at least 150 percent of the speed you can comfortably copy.  The way to learn it best, is to hike the "sent" speed up to 18-20 wpm, and the "space" gaps at 5 wpm.  That way, just like a baby does with language, you learn the sound of the word - before he learns to spell it.  That works with the "word" being a single letter.  In other words didididah (at 20 wpm).   Not dit dit dit dah.  Then a space between the first character and the next of at least a duration that would be put between them at 5 wpm.  As you gain "knowledge of the "sound" of a letter, and add more letters, you can narrow the gap of space between the characters, until you are soon copying an easy 20 wpm character set, at 13-15 wpm, then increase the speed of the code characters, and do it again, then again.  Doing it this way, I have had dozens of students learn the code in 2 to 3 days.  (Look up the info about the ham station at the Boy Scout National Jamboree in 1985, to see some of the results.

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    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Kate Hutton 

    To: k7dd at cox.net ; CW Reflector 

    Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:36 PM

    Subject: Re: [CW] q vs y

    I have a devil of a time with H & 5, B & 6, etc.  Guess this just proves that I don't count dits, at least not very well!

    Kate KD6HTN

    On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Baker <k7dd at cox.net> wrote:

    I call it character dyslexia. Sort of like X and P which were the two that messed me up years ago.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michiel Wories
      Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:06 AM
      To: CW at mailman.qth.net
      Subject: Re: [CW] q vs y

      That was not supposed to go out just yet. Hit some magic key combination.

      Regarding this learning barrier, is this something I will overcome by repeat and repeat it until I get it right or is there some learning aid here that may help?

      Thanks,

      Michiel KF7DZF

      From: Michiel Wories 

      Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:02 AM

      To: CW at mailman.qth.net 

      Subject: q vs y

      It's probably repeat again and again to get over but during my morse training I find myself confusing q and y 

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