[CW] AR or K after CQ?

Tue Jul 21 21:43:22 EDT 2009

Do read the operating manual, you may find some useful information therein
(especially things concerning prosigns).

73

Howard K2UD

ex, oh who cares
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DANNY DOUGLAS" <N7DC at COMCAST.NET>
To: "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ?

> Yes - but we as hams do not send messages as they are speaking of- unless
we
> are passing official traffic.  (The RELAY in ARRL.) Day to Day operations
,
> with short "overs" between hams are "over " in voice, and KN in code or
> RTTY. and that is why the AR and SK pretty much means the same thing, at
the
> end of our last and final transmission between two of us.
> Danny Douglas
> N7DC
> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
> SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
>
> All 2 years or more (except Novice)
> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
> I Do not us, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
> those who do.
>
> Moderator
> DXandTALK
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
> DXandTALK at YAHOOGROUPS.COM
>
> Moderator
> Digital_modes
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Howard Kraus" <K2UD at adelphia.net>
> To: "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ?
>
>
> > Nope, AR is end of message.  SK is end of contact.  The ARRL Operating
> > Manual explains all.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Howard K2UD
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "DANNY DOUGLAS" <N7DC at COMCAST.NET>
> > To: "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ?
> >
> >
> >> Nope -   AR is the same as SK or VA - and means I am finished with my
> >> communications, and am not going to listen anymore.
> >>
> >> That reminds me of the "Roger, over and out" often (way too often)
heard
> > or
> >> seen on tv and movies.  That would mean"  OVER - (I am finished talking
> > this
> >> round, you go ahead), and OUT means " I am finished with our
> >> communications".  In other words they just said:  "Over to you but I
aint
> >> listening"
> >>
> >> I have seen at least one DX RTTY station ending every transmission with
> > "SK"
> >> and when he gets a dozen others calling him, he gets upset, because
most
> > of
> >> the time he is still trying to talk to the original station.  By the
way,
> >> SK, and VA are simply the same ..._._ character in cw, and each was
used
> > in
> >> different services in different parts of the world, and still may be.
> >>
> >> The other guy is correct:  K should be used at the end of every CQ.  It
> >> means "anyone please answer".   KN should be used at the end of your
last
> >> "over" and means you want ONLY the station to which you are presently
> >> talking,  to come back to you. "K4KYV DE N7DC R TKS FOR QSO AND HOW
COPY
> > NOW
> >> KN" If N1ooo calls at that time, I will probably tell him to stand by,
or
> >> just ignore him.   If I say: " K4KYV DE N7DC RGR THANKS QSO ES HOPE SEE
> > YOU
> >> AGN 73 AR"   That means I have finished talking to you (assuming you
have
> >> given me your final before that), and now the N1ooo or anyone else has
> > free
> >> air to call me.
> >>
> >> The present "authority" on tellecomunications pro-signs, would seem to
be
> >> the NATO instructional books, which were just a follow-on of US and
some
> >> other authorative government instructions from way back in the 30s-40s.
> >> Those books, by the way, are called the ACP line of telecommunications
> >> instructions.  You can search them, such as ACP 117,   etc.
> >>
> >> Hey, and you do have people answer after you say  CQ AR, but you dont
> >> know
> >> how many DIDNT answer because you used that.   !!!!!
> >> Danny Douglas
> >> N7DC
> >> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
> >> SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
> >>
> >> All 2 years or more (except Novice)
> >> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
> >> I Do not us, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
> >> those who do.
> >>
> >> Moderator
> >> DXandTALK
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
> >> DXandTALK at YAHOOGROUPS.COM
> >>
> >> Moderator
> >> Digital_modes
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
> >> To: <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:31 PM
> >> Subject: [CW] AR or K after CQ?
> >>
> >>
> >> >I got into what turned into a heated debate recently over the use of
AR
> >> > following a CQ.
> >> >
> >> > The other person said you should never send anything but K after a
CQ,
> > and
> >> > that it is poor operating to use AR.
> >> >
> >> > Isn't AR supposed to mean that you have made a call, and you are
> > standing
> >> > by, listening for a station you have not yet made contact with? For
> >> > example,
> >> > if I had a sked with W9XXX and gave him a call, I would send W9XXX
> >> > W9XXX
> >> > de
> >> > K4KYV AR. Once I hear his reply and we have established contact, I
> >> > would
> >> > then send W9XXX de K4KYV K (or KN).
> >> >
> >> > When I call CQ and stand by to listen, by definition, no contact has
> >> > yet
> >> > been established with the station I eventually contact. So wouldn't
the
> >> > appropriate prosign be AR? To me, K implies that we have established
> >> > contact
> >> > and I am telling him to "go ahead".
> >> >
> >> > I looked this up in some of my old books both ARRL and non-ARRL.
Some
> > of
> >> > the more recent editions seem to prefer K, but Handy's first edition
of
> >> > the
> >> > ARRL handbook from the late 20's used ._._. (AR).
> >> >
> >> > I say it is a matter of preference.  Who would be the "authority" in
> > such
> >> > a
> >> > matter?  I have heard it both ways in all the 50  years I have been
> >> > licensed.  To me, AR has a more pleasant swing for ending a CQ, and
it
> >> > seems
> >> > to better round out the transmission.  K seems too abrupt.  I have
> >> > never
> >> > had
> >> > a problem getting someone to answer my CQ after sending AR.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Don k4kyv
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