[CW] W6BNB's comments to FCC

Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:58:20 -0400

DT,

I don't see anything in my posting that could be termed an "outburst".

The timing for English is based on the standard "word" PARIS.

The number of times that you can send PARIS in one minute determines the
"Words Per Minute" for English.

The timing for code groups is based on the standard "word" CODEX (or CODEZ -
which comes to the same count).
The number of times you can send CODEX in one minute determines the "Words
Per Minute" for code groups.

Since the Morse Code was designed so that the most common English letters
are also the shortest code elements, the speed for English is "higher" than
for code groups - which are NOT English.

If you had a "code machine" like at the FCC, you would NOT have to change
the speed control when giving the two tests for the 3rd Telegraph.

20 wpm English is the same speed as 16 wpm code groups - as explained above.
The difference is the standard by which the speed is timed.

English is 25% "faster" than code groups, and code groups are 20% "slower"
than English - in word count - but the speed of the dots and dashes are
identical.

The FCC test for the 1st class telegraph license (which I hold) is for 25
wpm English, and 20 wpm code groups - the same "code speed" on the machine,
but, again, the "word count" is different because we are counting English
(which has a faster "through-put" on Morse than code groups.  If the machine
sends for one minute, you will get 25 words if you are being sent English,
but only 20 words if you are being sent code groups.

Similarly, the American (Landline) Morse Code if FASTER for English than the
International Morse Code.  The American Morse Code has shorter "letters"
than the International Morse Code.

For example, the letter Z is dit-dit-dit,dit  with the (comma) representing
a slight pause - the special slight pause in some (many?) American Morse
characters.

The letter O is dit,dit and I is dit-dit.

Z dit-dit-dit,dit
& dit,dit-dit-dit
R dit,dit-dit
C dit-dit,dit
S dit-dit-dit
I dit-dit
O dit,dit
L (medium dash)

I'm sorry if you were offended by my post, no offense was intended.  I just
wanted to correct the misinformation you provided.

73

DR

David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Toepfer" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [CW] W6BNB's comments to FCC

> Well, actually, no, if you look at the link I provided, you will see that
> element 1 (Element 1 - 16 code groups per minute) AND 2 (Element 2 - 20
code
> groups per minute) are required for T3.  I was simply refering to the
existance
> of element 1 as a requirement of its own, not that is was the top speed
> requirement for T3.  And I never General was anythign other than 13wpm.  I
> didn't say anything about it aty all.  The discussion was about what the
FCC
> should consider in the future instead of dropping code all together.  I
don't
> think I said anything to deserver such an outburst.
>
> dt
> .
>
> --- "David J. Ring, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote:
> > DT,
> >
> > The code requirement for the 3rd class Radio-telegraph license is 20
wpm.
> >
> > 20 wpm of English and 16 wpm of coded groups.
> >
> > Remember that the morse code was made up to go faster with English, so
16
> > wpm of code groups is 20 wpm of English.
> >
> > But to most people on the list, they would think you meant that the
> > commercial exam was at 16 wpm but the ham exam was at 13.
> >
> > This would NOT be true!!!
> >
> > The commercial exam is 20 wpm, and the ham exam (for General) was 13
wpm.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > DR
> > David Ring
> > N1EA (still have my T1 license!)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Toepfer" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CW] W6BNB's comments to FCC
> >
> >
> > > --- Donald Chester <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > Back in the 193O's, the FCC recognized that
> > > > > > code is learned at 13 wpm so it increased amateur Morse Code
> > > > > > speed tests from 10 to 13 wpm.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, it was proposed to increase it to 12.5 wpm, but the FCC
> > decided
> > > > the calculations for characters per minute for the code tests would
be
> > too
> > > > messy, so they upped it to the nice round number of 13.  I recall
> > reading
> > > > that in some old QST's of the era.
> > >
> > > Funny thing is, if you're gonna go with round numbers why not just go
with
> > 15
> > > or even 16 to allign with Third Class Radiotelegraph Operator's
> > Certificate
> > > (T3) [ http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/t3.html ] Element 1 - 16
code
> > > groups per minute.  I would even support that.
> > >
> > > dt
> > > .
> > >
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