[CW] Etiquette question...

[David J. Ring Jr - N1EA]

That isn't what I am saying John.

I said "If you're working these guys through any type of competition like a
pile up,
your not talking about the same weak signals that I am."

So if you worked these guys through a pile up - and I am glad we both agree
you did do that - then this isn't what I am talking about.

You could NOT work the type of signal I am talking about through a pile up.
You'd never hear it.

I am also not talking about just copying S9+++++ signals.  If I were S9+++++
(unless I was net control of a net) I would turn down the power.  Enough is
enough!

You simply misunderstand what I am saying.

The signal I am talking about are so weak they wouldn't break a pile up.

There is some strange propagation that exists especially on 28 MHz that
allows a kW signal to be over S9, but a 100 watt signal to be barely there.

With the signal I am talking about, I went to the same power as the station
I finally copied after 10 mins, and he couldn't even hear me - he didn't
know I was transmitting.

When I went to 100 watts the QRP station said he could copy some words.

When I went back to 500 watts, the QRP station said he was amazed.  I was
now S9.

(NOTE- this is parts of several off list remarks to John  It appears that
some people have misunderstood what I meant.)

73

David Ring
N1EA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W2AGN" <w2agn@w2agn.net>
To: "W2AGN" <w2agn@w2agn.net>; <cw@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CW] Etiquette question...


> On 22 May 2003 at 12:06, David J. Ring Jr - N1EA wrote:
>
> > If you're working these guys through any type of competition like a pile
up,
> > your not talking about the same weak signals that I am.
> >
> >
>
> Oh I assure you, VP6DI and many others were worked in a pileup. The
> secret, as you know, is to transmit where they are listening. Also, they
> were skilled operators, and were willing to listen for the weak signals.
>
> There have been some DXpeditions that have obviously only worked those
> stations that were S9 or better.  If that's what they want, fine. (The
> last VP6DIA operation comes to mind). Heck, there are a lot of
> dxpeditions now that don't even work CW any more.
>
> My point is, we are not passing traffic on a commercial basis. This is
> AMATEUR radio, and we are supposed to be having fun. If only copying
> S9+++ signals is what "floats your boat" that great. There are many out
> there that like the challenge, and are proud of their skill at copying
> weak signals, and using QRP to get the job done.
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