[CW] High speed sending...

Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:48:10 -0400

Yep, you're right, Larry.  But try to tell that to the iambic experts on
here -- it's like talking to fenceposts.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry L. Ravlin" <[email protected]>
To: "Mike Hyder -N4NT-" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "cw"
<[email protected]>; "John/K4WJ" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...

| I just HAD to jump in.  I use a Bug (a wonderful invention if I do say so
| myself)  An 'A' is three motions.  my wrist is resting on the table and I
| swing to the rt for the dit and swing to the left for the dash and then to
| the rt to release there is no seperate motion to release the dit.  Like
wise
| a letter libe 'B' is three motions, I swing lt for the dah and swing rt
for
| the dits and then lt to release.  ad infitium.
| To ea his own, I like the bugs they look cool on my desk.  I learned cw on
a
| bug and now into my 60's i'm not abt to change.
|
| Larry L. Ravlin  AKA "Laurence the Magnificent"
| [email protected]
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| ----- Original Message -----
| From: John/K4WJ <[email protected]>
| To: Mike Hyder -N4NT- <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; cw
| <[email protected]>
| Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:21 AM
| Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...
|
|
| > Mike,
| >
| > How do you count three activities for a single lever paddle and four for
a
| > dual lever paddle? You are missing a very important event on the single
| > lever paddle that must be counted. See below:
| >
| > At 10:56 PM 8/6/02 -0400, Mike Hyder  -N4NT- wrote:
| >
| > >Letter Iambic keyer motions                              Single
| levermotions
| > >
| > >A  (push) dot,  (push) dash, release dot release dash (4)    dot, dash,
| > >release dash (3)
| >
| >    A  push dot, release dot, push dash, release dash (4)       dot,
| release
| > dot, dash, release dash (4)
| >
| > If you don't release the pressure from the thumb which is applied to the
| > single lever paddle to create the dot, your thumb and your finger will
be
| > working against each other when you go to create the dash.
| >
| > Jan Ditzian, KX2A, pointed this out to you back on Tuesday, May 2, 2000,
| in
| > a message to you on the TenTec reflector.
| >
| > When counting the activities to create the letter A with a SINGLE LEVER
| > paddle, why are you NOT counting the release of the dot as an activity?
| (It
| > surely must be done in order to move the paddle over to the dash side.)
| >
| > When you use a dual lever paddle with an iambic keyer you must release
the
| > dot before you create the dash or else you will send the letter R. Your
| > example above for a dual lever paddle/iambic keyer is incorrect, but I
| will
| > overlook it, since I know you are aware of what I just explained about
| > releasing the dot before creating the dash.
| >
| >   I'm really interested in reading your answer to my question.
| >
| > 73..de John/K4WJ
| >
| > >C  dash, dot release dash release dot (4)        dash, dot, dash, dot,
| > >release (5)
| > >K  dash, dot, release dot, release dash (4)       dash, dot, dash,
| release
| > >(4)
| > >N  dash, dot, release dash release dot (4)       dash, dot, release (3)
| > >R  dot, dash, release dash, release dot (4)      dot, dash, dot,
release
| (4)
| > >AR dot, dash, release dash release dot (4)     dot, dash, dot, dash,
dot,
| > >release (6)
| > >
| > >If you go through the alphabet with this analysis, you'll see that
total
| > >movements are fewer with the single-lever because pushing it one way
| clears
| > >the opposite contact.
| > >
| > >If the characters a, c, k, n, r, and + (/ar) are all the identical
| motions
| > >iambicly (and I'll concede they probably are), then it is no wonder my
| brain
| > >gets confused.  Each letter ought to be a discrete set of motions,
| shouldn't
| > >it?  I'd not only have to remember those identical motions, but I'd
also
| > >have to be very precise in my timing and I wouldn't have a sidetone to
| help
| > >me because my motions are required to be ahead of the sidetone --
that's
| > >sending blind???
| > >
| > >No, I do not see that the iambic keyer is doing a lot of the work for
us.
| > >
| > >About sending periods. . .  People who do that are one of my pet
peeves.
| > >Most of the folks I talk with just pause a second if they want to
pause.
| > >They send neither a period nor a BT.  But if they need to say "uh" then
| they
| > >might send BT.
| > >
| > >73, Mike N4NT
| > >
| > >----- Original Message -----
| > >From: "Ronald KA4INM Youvan" <[email protected]>
| > >To: "cw" <[email protected]>
| > >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:27 AM
| > >Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...
| > >
| > >
| > > > Mike Hyder -N4NT- wrote:
| > > >
| > > > > John, their proof fails.  They not only ignore the fact that with
| dual
| > > > > levers you must make an independent motion to release a lever;
they
| > > > > absolutely deny that is the case.
| > > > >
| > > > > If I am sending the letter "A" then I make 3 motions:  push dot,
| push
| > >dash,
| > > > > release.  Pushing the dash clears the dot contact on a
single-lever
| key.
| > > > > With the dual-lever, I must push the dot, push the dash, release
the
| > >dot,
| > > > > release the dash.  Call it as you will, there are more motions
| required
| > >with
| > > > > the dual-lever -- in fact I believe something like 13 of the
letters
| > >require
| > > > > more discrete motions to send with the dual-lever than the single.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >    Mike, you are missing something important, send an `a' then send
a
| `.'
| > >with
| > > > your single lever, I use the SAME motion and effort for both with my
| > >double
| > > > lever, do you see any difference?  The characters a, c, k, n, r, and
+
| > >(/ar)
| > > > (possibly more, it is late) are all the identical motions iambicly,
| > > > are they with a single lever?  Do you see that the iambic keyer is
| doing a
| > >lot
| > > > of the work for us?
| > > >    When I rag chew I never send a /bt, I send a period to end
| sentences,
| > > > or thoughts.  Why not, it fits and it is as easy to send as the
letter
| A.
| > > >    Do you see why?
| > > >
| > > >         73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron [email protected]