[CW] High speed sending...
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Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:46:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
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Not to be disrepectful, but you folks are splitting hairs.=0D
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Who really cares if it is 4 motions or 3 motions ?=0D
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If you can send faster with a sideswiper than an iambic=0D
paddle/keyer then use it.=0D
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If more hams spent time using the bands than arguing=0D
about how many motions this key or that key uses we=0D
wouldn't be in the position of possibly losing bandspace.=0D
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73 ES HPE TO CUL SK DE KA8VIT=0D
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Bill KA8VIT=0D
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From: Larry L. Ravlin=0D
Date: Friday, August 09, 2002 02:38:34=0D
To: Mike Hyder -N4NT-; [email protected]; cw; John/K4WJ=0D
Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...=0D
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I just HAD to jump in. I use a Bug (a wonderful invention if I do say so=0D
myself) An 'A' is three motions. my wrist is resting on the table and I=0D
swing to the rt for the dit and swing to the left for the dash and then t=
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the rt to release there is no seperate motion to release the dit. Like wi=
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a letter libe 'B' is three motions, I swing lt for the dah and swing rt f=
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the dits and then lt to release. ad infitium.=0D
To ea his own, I like the bugs they look cool on my desk. I learned cw on=
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bug and now into my 60's i'm not abt to change.=0D
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From: John/K4WJ <[email protected]>=0D
To: Mike Hyder -N4NT- <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; cw=0D
<[email protected]>=0D
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:21 AM=0D
Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...=0D
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> Mike,=0D
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> How do you count three activities for a single lever paddle and four fo=
r a=0D
> dual lever paddle? You are missing a very important event on the single=
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> lever paddle that must be counted. See below:=0D
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> At 10:56 PM 8/6/02 -0400, Mike Hyder -N4NT- wrote:=0D
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> >Letter Iambic keyer motions Single=0D
levermotions=0D
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> >A (push) dot, (push) dash, release dot release dash (4) dot, dash,=0D
> >release dash (3)=0D
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> A push dot, release dot, push dash, release dash (4) dot,=0D
release=0D
> dot, dash, release dash (4)=0D
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> If you don't release the pressure from the thumb which is applied to th=
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> single lever paddle to create the dot, your thumb and your finger will =
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> working against each other when you go to create the dash.=0D
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> Jan Ditzian, KX2A, pointed this out to you back on Tuesday, May 2, 2000=
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> a message to you on the TenTec reflector.=0D
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> When counting the activities to create the letter A with a SINGLE LEVER=
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> paddle, why are you NOT counting the release of the dot as an activity?=
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> surely must be done in order to move the paddle over to the dash side.)=
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> When you use a dual lever paddle with an iambic keyer you must release =
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> dot before you create the dash or else you will send the letter R. Your=
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> example above for a dual lever paddle/iambic keyer is incorrect, but I=0D
will=0D
> overlook it, since I know you are aware of what I just explained about=0D
> releasing the dot before creating the dash.=0D
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> I'm really interested in reading your answer to my question.=0D
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> 73..de John/K4WJ=0D
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> >C dash, dot release dash release dot (4) dash, dot, dash, dot,=0D
> >release (5)=0D
> >K dash, dot, release dot, release dash (4) dash, dot, dash,=0D
release=0D
> >(4)=0D
> >N dash, dot, release dash release dot (4) dash, dot, release (3)=0D
> >R dot, dash, release dash, release dot (4) dot, dash, dot, release=0D
(4)=0D
> >AR dot, dash, release dash release dot (4) dot, dash, dot, dash, dot,=0D
> >release (6)=0D
> >=0D
> >If you go through the alphabet with this analysis, you'll see that tot=
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> >movements are fewer with the single-lever because pushing it one way=0D
clears=0D
> >the opposite contact.=0D
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> >If the characters a, c, k, n, r, and + (/ar) are all the identical=0D
motions=0D
> >iambicly (and I'll concede they probably are), then it is no wonder my=
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> >gets confused. Each letter ought to be a discrete set of motions,=0D
shouldn't=0D
> >it? I'd not only have to remember those identical motions, but I'd als=
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> >have to be very precise in my timing and I wouldn't have a sidetone to=
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> >me because my motions are required to be ahead of the sidetone -- that=
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> >sending blind???=0D
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> >No, I do not see that the iambic keyer is doing a lot of the work for =
us.=0D
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> >About sending periods. . . People who do that are one of my pet peeves=
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> >Most of the folks I talk with just pause a second if they want to paus=
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> >They send neither a period nor a BT. But if they need to say "uh" then=
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> >might send BT.=0D
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> >73, Mike N4NT=0D
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> >----- Original Message -----=0D
> >From: "Ronald KA4INM Youvan" <[email protected]>=0D
> >To: "cw" <[email protected]>=0D
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:27 AM=0D
> >Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...=0D
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> > > Mike Hyder -N4NT- wrote:=0D
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> > > > John, their proof fails. They not only ignore the fact that with=0D
dual=0D
> > > > levers you must make an independent motion to release a lever; th=
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> > > > absolutely deny that is the case.=0D
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> > > > If I am sending the letter "A" then I make 3 motions: push dot,=0D
push=0D
> >dash,=0D
> > > > release. Pushing the dash clears the dot contact on a single-leve=
r=0D
key.=0D
> > > > With the dual-lever, I must push the dot, push the dash, release =
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> >dot,=0D
> > > > release the dash. Call it as you will, there are more motions=0D
required=0D
> >with=0D
> > > > the dual-lever -- in fact I believe something like 13 of the lett=
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> >require=0D
> > > > more discrete motions to send with the dual-lever than the single=
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> > > Mike, you are missing something important, send an `a' then send a=0D
`.'=0D
> >with=0D
> > > your single lever, I use the SAME motion and effort for both with m=
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> >double=0D
> > > lever, do you see any difference? The characters a, c, k, n, r, and=
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> >(/ar)=0D
> > > (possibly more, it is late) are all the identical motions iambicly,=
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> > > are they with a single lever? Do you see that the iambic keyer is=0D
doing a=0D
> >lot=0D
> > > of the work for us?=0D
> > > When I rag chew I never send a /bt, I send a period to end=0D
sentences,=0D
> > > or thoughts. Why not, it fits and it is as easy to send as the lett=
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A.=0D
> > > Do you see why?=0D
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> > > 73 (=3D Best Regards) de: Ron [email protected]=0D
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