Well gang I still have some of the 4:1 knobs left and want to get rid of them or stuff them in the attic for a few years, if you have thought about getting one for a spare now would be a great time, remember they make a great Christmas gift..... Help me out here so I do not have to climb the attic stairs... Thanks & 73's Dutch Please visit my Collins web-site http://users2.ev1.net/~wb7dyw/