[Boatanchors] LightSquared

Mon Oct 8 17:41:52 EDT 2012

Most commercial jets do not have an INS and don't need it. I never seen a
published INS approach and never going to see one.  

FL

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[mailto:boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 4:14 PM
To: rbethman
Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] LightSquared

I don't think any commercial airline or the military would fly w/o INS.

-John

=================

> You and others apparently haven't looked at any approach plates!
>
> Augmented GPS *IS* in the cockpit, and INS is more expensive.
>
> Dulles International Airpost, as well as ANY CAT IV, (Major Airport), 
> DOES rely on Augmented GPS Approaches.
>
> Even the Military used Augmented GPS to put the Nose Wheel to within 6"
> of the runway center-line.
>
> Still a certificated Pilot!
>
> Bob - N0DGN
>
> On 10/8/2012 1:19 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>> I believe LightSquared is still at it as of a couple of months ago. 
>> As to aircraft, commercial plans all have an INS now, I'd think. Not 
>> so General Aviation.
>>
>> The point of my citing LightSquared was not a critique of the 
>> proposed system, but an endictment of the fact that the FCC was ever 
>> seriously considering authorizing it, despite public and industry outcry.
>>
>> This case clearly shows the FCC is more interested in politics and is 
>> more swayed by political considerations, than technical issues.
>>
>> Last night, FOX had a special on the EPA and "Sustainability". Do you 
>> know what that agenda really involves? It's a radical Progressive 
>> agenda that goes far, far beyond soda cans to things like social and 
>> environmental "justice".
>>
>> YMMV,
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ============
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Didn't the FCC kill the LightSquared nonsense?
>>> Perhaps I am mistaken but I am almost certain that the FCC would not 
>>> allow LS to deploy that system as intended.
>>>
>>> Dave Harmon
>>> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
>>> Sperry, Ok.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rbethman
>>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 11:59 AM
>>> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Boatanchors] LightSquared
>>>
>>> Whom wants to be on final approach to a landing with LightSquared 
>>> screwing up the GPS signal that the cockpit is using GPS for 
>>> navigation?
>>>
>>> Commercial Aircraft use GPS for navigation, with Augmentation from 
>>> the airport.
>>>
>>> Where is YOUR aircraft going to end up?
>>>
>>> General Aviation is using GPS more and more to allow for direct 
>>> routing.
>>>
>>> Sure sounds like BIG problems to me!
>>>
>>> Bob - N0DGN
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/7/2012 8:49 PM, Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. Sounds like trouble in the making to me. Where can one read 
>>>> more about this problem in the making? Thanks John.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
>>>> To: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
>>>> Cc: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:40 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Rebuttal to DF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are giant problems with the FCC. Among the really serious 
>>>>> ones is LightSquared which is trying to build a 1.5 GHz 
>>>>> terrestrial network of something like 10,000 high power 
>>>>> transmitters right next to the GPS frequency. It is largely backed 
>>>>> by a hedge fund (think billions). The bigwig in the hedge fund is a
big Obama bundler.
>>>>>
>>>>> LightSquared has been shown to kill GPS usability.
>>>>>
>>>>> -John
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> For what it is worth, the administration I was refering to was 
>>>>>> not the national leader, but the stagnant directors of the FCC. I 
>>>>>> should have been more clear. Enough said, back to radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "DAve Mayfield" <laptop at gwltd.com>
>>>>>> To: "Bill Cotter" <n4lg at qx.net>
>>>>>> Cc: <Boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:23 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Rebuttal to DF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RADIOS guys, not which worthless, cheating, SOB is going to be 
>>>>>>> in the White House. BOATANCHORS is the name of the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Cotter wrote:
>>>>>>>> Duane,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you are forgetting that 8-years of the Bush 
>>>>>>>> administration delivered two wars and a broken treasury to the 
>>>>>>>> Obama administration. How long do you think it takes to unwind 
>>>>>>>> a fiasco of that size? Tell you friends and families that they 
>>>>>>>> can expect more of the same in a Romney administration - wars 
>>>>>>>> are how the wealthy get richer. And the job's Romney promises, 
>>>>>>>> they will be in India and China...........
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> N4LG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 11:03 PM 10/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The current administration needs to go ... America and Amateur 
>>>>>>>>> Radio are both worth preserving. Too many of my friends and 
>>>>>>>>> family gave their lives for freedom!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: <k3xr at juno.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <Boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 1:36 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Boatanchors] FCC DUMBS DOWN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No surprise here, more of the "all the same" equal outcome 
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Americans,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There was a time it was equal opportunity but that is quickly
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> falling by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the wayside.
>>>>>>>>>>
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