[Boatanchors] KC, kc, K etc.
J. Forster
jfor at quik.com
Sun Nov 14 16:43:04 EST 2010
K for Kelvin is not followed by any other letters AFAIK. It is preceeded
by m or u for milliKelvin or microKelvin.
-John
================
> Most, and probably all, of my WWII radio frequency military gear
> use the abbreviation KC and MC on the gear itself, whereas
> some of the associated Technical Manuals use kc, mc and
> other TM's use KC, MC. KILOCYCLES appear on the
> gear ID labels.Uppercase lettering seems to have been the rule.
>
> Modern use of lower case k instead of the more consistent
> upper case K (for multipliers greater than one) because of the
> consignment K to degrees Kelvin, sounds plausible
> but, is the K in degrees Kelvin ever immediately
> followed by any single or combination of other letter(s) or other
> cipher(s)?
>
> Henry, Cph.
>
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>> 1. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (W2HX)
>> 2. WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (James Liles)
>> 3. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (D C *Mac* Macdonald)
>> 4. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (rbethman)
>> 5. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (Glen Zook)
>> 6. Re: Boatanchors Digest, Vol 82, Issue 18 (Henry Mei'l's)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:22:24 -0500
>> From: "W2HX" <w2hx at w2hx.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>> To: "'rbethman'" <rbethman at comcast.net>, boatanchors at qth.net
>> Message-ID: <001501cb8420$84841660$8d8c4320$@com>
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>> I think kilo is abbreviated in lowercase "kHz" whereas mega prefix uses
>> capital "MHz" "Mc/s" Anyone know why kilo is lowercase? Millihertz iz
>> mHz,
>> microhertz us uHz (or using the mu letter"
>>
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rbethman
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:13 AM
>> To: boatanchors at qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>
>> Respect to ALL,
>>
>> The crystals themselves are marked in Kc.
>>
>> My "older" radios and manuals are "labeled" or in the case of manuals,
>> "printed" withe Kc, (or Kilocycles), and Mc, (or Megacycles).
>>
>> Yep! Around 40 years or so ago I learned both.
>>
>> The LAST I looked, the "name" of the list IS - BOATANCHORS! I can
>> converse in Hertz or in Cycles. It doesn't make a single bit of
>> difference.
>>
>> Everybody enjoy!
>>
>> Bob - N0DGN
>>
>> On 11/14/2010 10:50 AM, oldradio at comcast.net wrote:
>>> I agree with Bruce. I see calling it a kilocycle or megacycle as a
>>> badge
>> of honor for we who remember when it was called only that.
>>>
>>> It's sort of like when you have a nice old street in your town and
>> everybody knows its name. Then the newbies in town change the name to
>> that
>> of their favorite politician (that nobody liked anyway).
>>>
>>> Later when you give someone "new to town" directions based on the old
>> street name you remember, they get lost.
>>>
>>> And speaking of directions - I remember when I was 17, working at
>>> nights
>> at a gas station just outside of Atlantic City. Pappy, the owners
>> father,
>> had a gimic he used for people who would pull in when it was raining and
>> only wanted directions, not gas. No matter which way they pulled in the
>> directions were always the same, standing in the rain he would tell
>> them,
>> "Straight ahead, you can't miss it, then turn right." (The wide ramp
>> the
>> Miss America Parade floats used to exit the Boardwalk was at the end of
>> the
>> highway, and looked like a street.)
>>>
>>> The AC press was always confused why so many cars drove right up on the
>> Boardwalk, and then off the end where it zig-zaged at the next city,
>> Ventnor. And it only happened when it rained.
>>>
>>> 73, John Dilks, K2TQN
>>> "Straight Ahead!"
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:24:06 -0800
>> From: "James Liles" <james.liles at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>> To: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
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>>
>> I think Pappy had the right idea John. I grew up with the cycle suffix
>> for
>> a naturally occurring event and continue to use it. Do understand and
>> respect the use of the Hertz by others. Kindest regards Jim K9AXN
>>
>> Original message:
>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:50:54 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: oldradio at comcast.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> To: Bruce <bsugarberg at core.com>
>>> Cc: boatanchors at qth.net
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <2005046398.1073467.1289749854981.JavaMail.root at sz0128a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> I agree with Bruce. I see calling it a kilocycle or megacycle as a
>>> badge
>>> of honor for we who remember when it was called only that.
>>>
>>> It's sort of like when you have a nice old street in your town and
>>> everybody knows its name. Then the newbies in town change the name to
>>> that of their favorite politician (that nobody liked anyway).
>>>
>>> Later when you give someone "new to town" directions based on the old
>>> street name you remember, they get lost.
>>>
>>> And speaking of directions - I remember when I was 17, working at
>>> nights
>>> at a gas station just outside of Atlantic City. Pappy, the owners
>>> father,
>>> had a gimic he used for people who would pull in when it was raining
>>> and
>>> only wanted directions, not gas. No matter which way they pulled in
>>> the
>>> directions were always the same, standing in the rain he would tell
>>> them,
>>> "Straight ahead, you can't miss it, then turn right." (The wide ramp
>>> the
>>> Miss America Parade floats used to exit the Boardwalk was at the end of
>>> the highway, and looked like a street.)
>>>
>>> The AC press was always confused why so many cars drove right up on the
>>> Boardwalk, and then off the end where it zig-zaged at the next city,
>>> Ventnor. And it only happened when it rained.
>>>
>>> 73, John Dilks, K2TQN
>>> "Straight Ahead!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:28:01 -0600
>> From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>> To: <w2hx at w2hx.com>, <rbethman at comcast.net>, <boatanchors at qth.net>
>> Message-ID: <BLU129-W25A7EBD6746047BE6C1E97F1350 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> See my message of 0707 CST today, Eugene!
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
>> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
>> * Oklahoma City, OK *
>> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>>
>> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
>> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
>> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: w2hx at w2hx.com
>>> To: rbethman at comcast.net; boatanchors at qth.net
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:22:24 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>>
>>> I think kilo is abbreviated in lowercase "kHz" whereas mega prefix uses
>>> capital "MHz" "Mc/s" Anyone know why kilo is lowercase? Millihertz iz
>>> mHz,
>>> microhertz us uHz (or using the mu letter"
>>>
>>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:49:16 -0500
>> From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>> To: boatanchors at qth.net
>> Message-ID: <4CE0211C.6070603 at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Dragging out crystals from the '40s, one in particular that I happen to
>> have for the "Beastly" BC-610, is in its original box and wrapping that
>> shows a date of 1943, has on it the frequency 3550, which is "stamped"
>> or some would say engraved, and it is followed by the manufacturer's
>> dataplate where the letters are "raised" and the background is "sunken"
>> slightly, and they marked it "KC" then.
>>
>> I see this on FT-171s AND FT-243s. Some of those in the real small
>> holders don't have anything other than the number, such as "23.3333"
>> stamped into the top of the tiny can.
>>
>> The "supposition" that an uppercase "K" is only for Kelvin, is
>> preposterous. I don't see reference to color temperature which IS
>> measured in Kelvin, having anything to do with radio.
>>
>> I "think" that the use of KHz or kHz is simply what happens to get
>> used. I see them interchanged amongst the manuals in pieces of
>> equipment that is all SS. Especially when I look at the segments that
>> refer to alignment.
>>
>> I don't think that there is "one" definitive answer.
>>
>> Just "my" $0.02, and worth what you pay for it.
>>
>> Bob - N0DGN
>>
>> On 11/14/2010 12:22 PM, W2HX wrote:
>>> I think kilo is abbreviated in lowercase "kHz" whereas mega prefix uses
>>> capital "MHz" "Mc/s" Anyone know why kilo is lowercase? Millihertz iz
>>> mHz,
>>> microhertz us uHz (or using the mu letter"
>>>
>>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:57:40 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Glen Zook <gzook at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>> To: boatanchors at qth.net, leecraner at aol.com
>> Message-ID: <352124.37988.qm at web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> You can get 4.000 MHz crystals in the HC49/U housing for 46 cents each
>> in
>> single quantities, for 41 cents each in quantity of 10, or more, and for
>> 37 cents each for quantities of 100 or more from Mouser.
>>
>> Part number 520-HCA400-20X for 20 pf load
>>
>> Part number 520-HCA400-SX for series
>>
>> These are clock crystals and can be easily adapted to the larger
>> pins/spacing of the FT-243, HC6/U, etc. if necessary.
>>
>> The reason the crystals are so cheap is that tens of thousands of these
>> are made at a time. I use various clock crystals in VHF/UHF converters,
>> in other projects, etc., and they work very well.
>>
>> Glen, K9STH
>>
>> Website: http://k9sth.com
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 11/13/10, leecraner at aol.com <leecraner at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I need the following crystals for the LO of a homebrew transmitter I'm
>> currently building:
>>
>> 2 mHz, 4 mHz, 9 mHz 12.5 mHz, 13 mHz.? FT243 style pin spacing.
>>
>> I know that I can order them from International Crystal.? But before I
>> go
>> to that expense, I thought I'd check with the list members first.? Cash
>> or
>> trade for some spare FT243 40 meter CW xtals I've got.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:10:11 +0100
>> From: "Henry Mei'l's" <meils at get2net.dk>
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Boatanchors Digest, Vol 82, Issue 18
>> To: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>> Message-ID: <BC0B734882F44CCCB0DEF3C898DC3E82 at ejerf59be5593b>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Yeah and my name is Henry, so of course
>> I get kidded with uH, mH .. my ego tells me
>> I'm a MH. No one's called me kH, pH or nH, yet.
>> The women just
>> think of me as 1H, this being more than enough
>> for them.
>> 73
>> O'Henry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <boatanchors-request at mailman.qth.net>
>> To: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:50 PM
>> Subject: Boatanchors Digest, Vol 82, Issue 18
>>
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>>> 1. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (Carl)
>>> 2. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (Carl)
>>> 3. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (Lee Buller)
>>> 4. Re: to better communication - was: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> (Bill Cromwell)
>>> 5. Re: to better communication - was: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> (D C *Mac* Macdonald)
>>> 6. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (oldradio at comcast.net)
>>> 7. Re: WTB: Xtals (even mHz) (rbethman)
>>> 8. New Jersey QSLs (Carl Nord)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:30:35 -0500
>>> From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> To: "Brian Clarke" <brianclarke01 at optusnet.com.au>,
>>> <boatanchors at qth.net>
>>> Message-ID: <002f01cb8408$8235f490$6501a8c0 at DAVES>
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>>>
>>> And New Zealand still remains a highly isolationist country with many
>>> strange practices.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brian Clarke" <brianclarke01 at optusnet.com.au>
>>> To: <boatanchors at qth.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why not get it right?
>>>>
>>>> In New Zealand, that tiny little island nation that dared to stand out
>>>> against the might of that which proclaims itself right, was educating
>>>> its
>>>> citizens in the metric system of measurement over 60 years ago. At
>>>> engineering school 50 years ago, we learned how to work comfortably
>>>> with
>>>> measures ancient and modern. Systeme Internationale has been in
>>>> operation
>>>> in
>>>> most of the civilised world for at least 40 years - so, if you missed
>>>> it,
>>>> then you may be representative of a whole generation of conveniently
>>>> left
>>>> greenies, like Al Gore whose only degree in science was given to him
>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> same time as Dolly Parton got hers.
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Brian, VK2GCE
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bruce" <bsugarberg at core.com>
>>>> To: <boatanchors at qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's just forget about all that "hurts" stuff, and just go back to
>>>>> kc and mc. Life would be a lot simpler and easier.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Bruce WA8TNC
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:41:14 -0500
>>> From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> To: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk at hotmail.com>, "W5UQ, Hardie, Bob"
>>> <w5uq at att.net>
>>> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Its simple, just use khz and mhz and piss everyone off.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "W5UQ, Hardie, Bob" <w5uq at att.net>
>>> Cc: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not to worry, Bob.
>>>>
>>>> For quite awhile longer than it should have taken,
>>>> I was using KHz for kilohertz until some OTHER
>>>> smartypants cleared up that error on MY part.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
>>>> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
>>>> * Oklahoma City, OK *
>>>> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 07:17:19 -0600
>>>> From: W5UQ at att.NET
>>>> To: k2gkk at hotmail.com
>>>> CC: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>>>
>>>> Oh I don't question SI Mac.
>>>>
>>>> In college, many many years ago,(more than I want to admit) we all had
>>>> to
>>>> learn the correct SI language. Or our prof got really upset. And I do
>>>> seem
>>>> to remember the capital M and m being like you say. Just forgot it.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I was just adding another method that has been taught. Not that
>>>> it's
>>>> correct. HI. But it may explain why some used the lower case m.
>>>>
>>>> So, I will do MHz from now on... okey dokey? And thanks for letting us
>>>> know so we can avoid being incorrect. :-)
>>>> boB
>>>> and the BEAT goes onnnnnn....See W5UQ.com& QRZ.com is accurate for
>>>> W5UQAlso see QRZ.com for A25UQ and V31UQ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/14/2010 7:06 AM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
>>>> Not correct. Metric prefixes signifying GREATER than
>>>> the basic unit are normally capitalized. Those that
>>>> signify that the unit is SMALLER than the basic unit
>>>> are lower case.
>>>>
>>>> With frequency, there is a difference with kilohertz
>>>> because the upper case "K" has already been assigned
>>>> to Kelvin temperature where any K temperature is
>>>> referenced to 0 degrees K which is ABSOLUTE ZERO
>>>> (- 273 Celsius).
>>>>
>>>> That's the reason for the apparent anomaly where the
>>>> convention is MHz for megahertz and kHz for kilohertz.
>>>>
>>>> If there were an actual unit "mHz" would it signify
>>>> one cycle every 1000 seconds? HAR!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
>>>> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
>>>> * Oklahoma City, OK *
>>>> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:55:19 -0600From: W5UQ at att.NETTo:
>>>> boatanchors at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even
>>>> mHz)Well, he may be right. However, I was taught that since Hertz is a
>>>> proper name, that it, and only it, should be capitalized. Hence, mHz
>>>> or
>>>> kHz.Oh well, who am I to questions SI's. I bow to Those who Knows...
>>>> hee
>>>> hee.Boband the BEAT goes onnnnnn....See W5UQ.com& QRZ.com is accurate
>>>> for
>>>> W5UQAlso see QRZ.com for A25UQ and V31UQOn 11/14/2010 4:09 AM, David
>>>> Stinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would you want crystals in the sub audible range??
>>>> They make really nifty paper weights.In the mean time, I'm going to
>>>> ride
>>>> my by-Hertzover to the junk box and see if I can find anyof those
>>>> crystals.
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:44:38 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Lee Buller <k0wa at swbell.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> To: leecraner at aol.com, boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>>> Message-ID: <926831.4970.qm at web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> Lee...
>>>
>>> International Crystal in Oklahoma City. Call them, and tell them what
>>> you
>>> need. They have it and it is not that expensive.
>>>
>>> Lee - K0WA
>>>
>>>
>>> In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If
>>> you
>>> don't
>>> have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't
>>> find any
>>> Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is
>>> Common
>>> Sense divine?
>>>
>>> Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in
>>> my
>>> mind.
>>> - J. Wolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "leecraner at aol.com" <leecraner at aol.com>
>>> To: boatanchors at qth.net
>>>Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:52:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>>
>>> Hello list,
>>> ?
>>> I need the following crystals for the LO of a homebrew transmitter I'm
>>> currently
>>> building:
>>> ?
>>> 2 mHz, 4 mHz, 9 mHz 12.5 mHz, 13 mHz.? FT243 style pin spacing.
>>> ?
>>> I know that I can order them from International Crystal.? But before I
>>> go
>>> to
>>> that expense, I thought I'd check with the list members first.? Cash or
>>> trade
>>> for some spare FT243 40 meter CW xtals I've got.
>>> ?
>>> Thanks for your time
>>> ?
>>> 73
>>> Lee WB6SSW
>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:37:21 -0500
>>> From: Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] to better communication - was: Xtals (even
>>> mHz)
>>> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>>> Message-ID: <1289745441.28618.18.camel at lancelot.workgroup>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>
>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>
>>> Sometimes we just make 'honest' mistakes or typos. I would think in a
>>> *technical* hobby we would try to use the right words and forms. I can
>>> usually dig out the correct meaning of what some people say even if
>>> they
>>> use incredibly sloppy language. But sometimes not. I haven't said
>>> anything before and I am not going to say much about it now.
>>> Radio/electronics is not the only place where usage is important to
>>> understanding. If we use the wrong words we are quite likely to get
>>> something we weren't expecting. The unexpected has sometimes proven
>>> fatal. Short of fatal it can be expensive. More often it's just an
>>> irritation. It's really not bliss.
>>>
>>> My own pet peeves? As long as I'm here:
>>>
>>> "Tranny". Transformer? Transistor? A gearbox? A bus? A transvestite? A
>>> transgenedered person (yes they're different). Yeah I can figure it out
>>> from context but it's clumsy and slows down reading comprehension.
>>>
>>> *Filament/Heater*. They are *NOT* the same things. If I really need to
>>> know I have to look up tube specs. Lots of time wasted when we can't
>>> say
>>> exactly what we mean. This one gets a lot of abuse.
>>>
>>> If you're one of the people who whine and cry about the "grammar
>>> police"
>>> you will have used up your whining quota and will not be allowed to
>>> whine when you get what you really asked for (incorrectly).
>>>
>>> Finally, none of us is innocent. I won't whine or cry if you point out
>>> a
>>> place where I need to look at the right word(s). Please be gentle when
>>> you do but also please do.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Bill KU8H
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:19:51 -0600
>>> From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] to better communication - was: Xtals (even
>>> mHz)
>>> To: <wrcromwell at gmail.com>, <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Message-ID: <BLU129-W27798C33EFB03C76ED3030F1350 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about that "filament/heater" difference.
>>>
>>> I know the difference between directly and indirectly
>>> heated cathodes (emission devices). As far as I
>>> know, describing the cathode in THAT manner is the
>>> only way to differentiate the two.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, ALL filaments serve as heaters
>>> to either directly emit the electrons or to cause
>>> the separate cathode to do that function.
>>>
>>>
>>> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
>>> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
>>> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>> * 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
>>> * (Since 30 Nov 53) *
>>> * Oklahoma City, OK *
>>> * USAF, Ret (61-81) *
>>> * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> From: wrcromwell at gmail.com
>>>> To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:37:21 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] to better communication - was: Xtals (even
>>>> mHz)
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes we just make 'honest' mistakes or typos. I would think in a
>>>> *technical* hobby we would try to use the right words and forms. I can
>>>> usually dig out the correct meaning of what some people say even if
>>>> they
>>>> use incredibly sloppy language. But sometimes not. I haven't said
>>>> anything before and I am not going to say much about it now.
>>>> Radio/electronics is not the only place where usage is important to
>>>> understanding. If we use the wrong words we are quite likely to get
>>>> something we weren't expecting. The unexpected has sometimes proven
>>>> fatal. Short of fatal it can be expensive. More often it's just an
>>>> irritation. It's really not bliss.
>>>>
>>>> My own pet peeves? As long as I'm here:
>>>>
>>>> "Tranny". Transformer? Transistor? A gearbox? A bus? A transvestite? A
>>>> transgenedered person (yes they're different). Yeah I can figure it
>>>> out
>>>> from context but it's clumsy and slows down reading comprehension.
>>>>
>>>> *Filament/Heater*. They are *NOT* the same things. If I really need to
>>>> know I have to look up tube specs. Lots of time wasted when we can't
>>>> say
>>>> exactly what we mean. This one gets a lot of abuse.
>>>>
>>>> If you're one of the people who whine and cry about the "grammar
>>>> police"
>>>> you will have used up your whining quota and will not be allowed to
>>>> whine when you get what you really asked for (incorrectly).
>>>>
>>>> Finally, none of us is innocent. I won't whine or cry if you point out
>>>> a
>>>> place where I need to look at the right word(s). Please be gentle when
>>>> you do but also please do.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Bill KU8H
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:50:54 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: oldradio at comcast.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> To: Bruce <bsugarberg at core.com>
>>> Cc: boatanchors at qth.net
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <2005046398.1073467.1289749854981.JavaMail.root at sz0128a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> I agree with Bruce. I see calling it a kilocycle or megacycle as a
>>> badge
>>> of honor for we who remember when it was called only that.
>>>
>>> It's sort of like when you have a nice old street in your town and
>>> everybody knows its name. Then the newbies in town change the name to
>>> that of their favorite politician (that nobody liked anyway).
>>>
>>> Later when you give someone "new to town" directions based on the old
>>> street name you remember, they get lost.
>>>
>>> And speaking of directions - I remember when I was 17, working at
>>> nights
>>> at a gas station just outside of Atlantic City. Pappy, the owners
>>> father,
>>> had a gimic he used for people who would pull in when it was raining
>>> and
>>> only wanted directions, not gas. No matter which way they pulled in
>>> the
>>> directions were always the same, standing in the rain he would tell
>>> them,
>>> "Straight ahead, you can't miss it, then turn right." (The wide ramp
>>> the
>>> Miss America Parade floats used to exit the Boardwalk was at the end of
>>> the highway, and looked like a street.)
>>>
>>> The AC press was always confused why so many cars drove right up on the
>>> Boardwalk, and then off the end where it zig-zaged at the next city,
>>> Ventnor. And it only happened when it rained.
>>>
>>> 73, John Dilks, K2TQN
>>> "Straight Ahead!"
>>>
>>>
>>> -.-
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bruce" <bsugarberg at core.com>
>>> To: boatanchors at qth.net
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:47:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Let's just forget about all that "hurts" stuff, and just go back to
>>> kc and mc. Life would be a lot simpler and easier.
>>>
>>> 73, Bruce WA8TNC
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:12:46 -0500
>>> From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] WTB: Xtals (even mHz)
>>> To: boatanchors at qth.net
>>> Message-ID: <4CE00A7E.7030708 at comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Respect to ALL,
>>>
>>> The crystals themselves are marked in Kc.
>>>
>>> My "older" radios and manuals are "labeled" or in the case of manuals,
>>> "printed" withe Kc, (or Kilocycles), and Mc, (or Megacycles).
>>>
>>> Yep! Around 40 years or so ago I learned both.
>>>
>>> The LAST I looked, the "name" of the list IS - BOATANCHORS! I can
>>> converse in Hertz or in Cycles. It doesn't make a single bit of
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> Everybody enjoy!
>>>
>>> Bob - N0DGN
>>>
>>> On 11/14/2010 10:50 AM, oldradio at comcast.net wrote:
>>>> I agree with Bruce. I see calling it a kilocycle or megacycle as a
>>>> badge
>>>> of honor for we who remember when it was called only that.
>>>>
>>>> It's sort of like when you have a nice old street in your town and
>>>> everybody knows its name. Then the newbies in town change the name to
>>>> that of their favorite politician (that nobody liked anyway).
>>>>
>>>> Later when you give someone "new to town" directions based on the old
>>>> street name you remember, they get lost.
>>>>
>>>> And speaking of directions - I remember when I was 17, working at
>>>> nights
>>>> at a gas station just outside of Atlantic City. Pappy, the owners
>>>> father, had a gimic he used for people who would pull in when it was
>>>> raining and only wanted directions, not gas. No matter which way they
>>>> pulled in the directions were always the same, standing in the rain he
>>>> would tell them, "Straight ahead, you can't miss it, then turn right."
>>>> (The wide ramp the Miss America Parade floats used to exit the
>>>> Boardwalk
>>>> was at the end of the highway, and looked like a street.)
>>>>
>>>> The AC press was always confused why so many cars drove right up on
>>>> the
>>>> Boardwalk, and then off the end where it zig-zaged at the next city,
>>>> Ventnor. And it only happened when it rained.
>>>>
>>>> 73, John Dilks, K2TQN
>>>> "Straight Ahead!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:50:26 -0500
>>> From: "Carl Nord" <chnord at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [Boatanchors] New Jersey QSLs
>>> To: <njarc at mailman.qth.net>, <Boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Message-ID: <71D96D2E98B243649FAB983FC6D2EAEB at CARL2006>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> There was a gentleman by the name of Tony or Anthony who specialized in
>>> old
>>> QSLs from NJ as a collection
>>> I have done some swaps with him before and would like to get in touch
>>> with
>>> him butt cannot find his address. Anyone remember him?
>>>
>>>
>>> Carl
>>> WA1KPD
>>> Visit My Boatanchor Collection at
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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