[Boatanchors] Boatanchors Digest, CB vrs Ham

Tue Jan 12 16:21:27 EST 2010

Hi. Although I have antennas for 160, 80, and 40, I use 20M to 70CM.
I also don't understand the animosity toward the 11M folks. Heck, my 
beloved 75A-4 even has an 11M band. ha ha
YES, I know all about that saga, having been a Ham for 46 years. (wow! 
I'm old!!! ha ha)
I did not enter through the CB ranks but rather through the SWL route.
As far as the 'idiots' and 'language' issues.... remember when a 
certain Canadian was on 14.275?
Now Glen has that frequency. I actually (almost) miss the transmissions 
 from the 'great white north', especially when he would get into verbal 
confrontations with certain '8 Landers'. (I did NOT care for the 
profanity!!)
I wonder where he went?
Actually, I have 27.185 MHz programmed in a LOT of my radios (receive 
only, thank you). It's a great way to check the propagation on 10M and 
entertaining to boot!!!!

Have FUN!!!

ron
N4UE
(a 13 WPM Extra) (just missed the 20 WPM)

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters (Radios R. Me)
2. Re: 2M7 Antenna FS (W?QFC)
3. Re: 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters (Alex Whitaker)
4. Re: 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters
(Singley, Rodger)
5. Re: 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters (Ian)
6. Re: 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters (W?QFC)
7. Re: 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters (rbethman)
8. 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters (Bill Call)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:25:29 -0800 (PST)
From: "Radios R. Me" <radios_r_me at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel
Meters
To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <101274.15978.qm at web110605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Pffft.... AF4K hereby crawls under a rock
in utter disgrace and fear....

If it's
any consolation, none of these panel meters have been
sold
to our
evil 11 meter cousins so far. : - )

________________________________
From: RJ Mattson <rjmattson at hvi.net>
To: AmateurRadioSwap at yahoogroups.com; 
amateurradiomarketplace at yahoogroups.com;
amswap at mailman.qth.net; bcarling at cfl.rr.com
Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:27:03 AM
Subject: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters

11 meter amps?
Your selling to free banders and such that illegally occupy the 10 
meter
amateur band ?
No shame?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bry Carling" <bcarling at cfl.rr.com>
To: <11meteramps at yahoogroups.com>; <amswap at mailman.qth.net>;
<amateurradiomarketplace at yahoogroups.com>;
<AmateurRadioSwap at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters

FOR SALE: Quality Panel Meters

Several extra nice NOS panel meters - these appear to be
unused but not sure.

QTY 2 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-200 MILLIAMPERES DC

QTY 1 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-500 MILLIAMPERES DC

QTY 1 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-150 VOLTS DC

All the above are the classic square face types with rounded corners.
Dimensions: 2-3/8" X 2-3/8" and require a 2" diameter hole.
These meters are available for $12.00 each

ALSO:
Two brand new DAYSTROM / WESTON Model 1521 panel meters
New In Boxes.... Beautiful round 0 - 1 mA meters with 2-1/2" outer
diameter and require a 2-1/4" mounting hole. These are the sealed,
"RUGGEDIZED," rear-shielded type meters.

QTY 2 available for $15.00 each plus shipping.

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:09:32 -0500
From: W?QFC <erastber at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 2M7 Antenna FS
To: W?QFC <erastber at tampabay.rr.com>, <Antennas at mailman.qth.net>,
"forsale-swap" <forsale-swap at mailman.qth.net>,
<FLBOATANCHORS at yahoogroups.com>, <CARSHamRadio at googlegroups.com>,
<boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
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Price is $110.00 plus shipping/packing via FedEx ground of aprox 
$15.00,
depending on your location.

Payment: PayPal (preferred, add $5.00), Bank check or your check 
(shipment
will be after your check clears my bank).

Gene, W?QFC
Spring Hill FL

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:08:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Whitaker <ehscott at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel
Meters
To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net, "Radios R. Me"
<radios_r_me at yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <637152.77556.qm at web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I must be missing something.? How is the sale of panel meters related 
to 11m
usage?? I saw an e-mail about repurposing an old CB linear amp for 10m 
service,
but thought that was seperate from the panel meters one.?
?
I also don't understand the rabid hatred of CB'ers.? While 11m is chock 
full of
idiots, there are a lot of legit users as well that obey the rules.? My 
use of a
CB back before I got my?ticket was one of the things that?made me want 
to be an
amateur operator.?Legitimate use of the Citizen's Band definitely has 
its place.

?
73,
?
Alex
AA9XY
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Radios R. Me <radios_r_me at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Radios R. Me <radios_r_me at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters
To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:25 PM

Pffft....? AF4K hereby crawls under a rock
in utter disgrace and fear....

If it's
any consolation, none of these panel meters have been
sold
to our
evil 11 meter cousins so far.? : - )

________________________________
From: RJ Mattson <rjmattson at hvi.net>
To: AmateurRadioSwap at yahoogroups.com; 
amateurradiomarketplace at yahoogroups.com;
amswap at mailman.qth.net; bcarling at cfl.rr.com
Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:27:03 AM
Subject: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters

11 meter amps?
Your selling to free banders and such that illegally occupy the 10 
meter
amateur band ?
No shame?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bry Carling" <bcarling at cfl.rr.com>
To: <11meteramps at yahoogroups.com>; <amswap at mailman.qth.net>;
<amateurradiomarketplace at yahoogroups.com>;
<AmateurRadioSwap at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters

FOR SALE: Quality Panel Meters

Several extra nice NOS panel meters - these appear to be
unused but not sure.

QTY 2 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-200 MILLIAMPERES DC

QTY 1 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-500 MILLIAMPERES DC

QTY 1 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-150 VOLTS DC

All the above are the classic square face types with rounded corners.
Dimensions: 2-3/8" X 2-3/8" and require a 2" diameter hole.
These meters are available for $12.00 each

ALSO:
Two brand new DAYSTROM / WESTON Model 1521 panel meters
New In Boxes.... Beautiful round 0 - 1 mA meters with 2-1/2" outer
diameter and require a 2-1/4" mounting hole. These are the sealed,
"RUGGEDIZED," rear-shielded type meters.

QTY 2 available for $15.00 each plus shipping.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:17:46 -0600
From: "Singley, Rodger" <rbsingl at ilstu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel
Meters
To: "Alex Whitaker" <ehscott at sbcglobal.net>,
<boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>, "Radios R. Me" <radios_r_me at yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
<AA28191F88740543A764089198FF86DE9A25D2 at COBEXCHANGE.ad.ilstu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Alex makes a great point and although I did not come into amateur radio 
via CB
several close ham friends did come through this route. There are 
probably a lot
of list members who spent time on 11 meters after it was lost to ham 
radio.
There is no need to insult "former CB hams" just as some of the "rice 
box"
remarks are not so nice to our JA members. Through the kindness and 
generosity
of one of them I recently acquired a very nice Trio TX-310 transmitter 
to go
with my JR-310. There is some very cool vintage Japanese gear out there!

Rodger WQ9E

-----Original Message-----
From: boatanchors-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Alex Whitaker
Sent: Tue 1/12/2010 2:08 PM
To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net; Radios R. Me
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters

I must be missing something.? How is the sale of panel meters related 
to 11m
usage?? I saw an e-mail about repurposing an old CB linear amp for 10m 
service,
but thought that was seperate from the panel meters one.?
?
I also don't understand the rabid hatred of CB'ers.? While 11m is chock 
full of
idiots, there are a lot of legit users as well that obey the rules.? My 
use of a
CB back before I got my?ticket was one of the things that?made me want 
to be an
amateur operator.?Legitimate use of the Citizen's Band definitely has 
its place.

?
73,
?
Alex
AA9XY
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Radios R. Me <radios_r_me at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Radios R. Me <radios_r_me at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters
To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:25 PM

Pffft....? AF4K hereby crawls under a rock
in utter disgrace and fear....

If it's
any consolation, none of these panel meters have been
sold
to our
evil 11 meter cousins so far.? : - )

________________________________
From: RJ Mattson <rjmattson at hvi.net>
To: AmateurRadioSwap at yahoogroups.com; 
amateurradiomarketplace at yahoogroups.com;
amswap at mailman.qth.net; bcarling at cfl.rr.com
Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:27:03 AM
Subject: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters

11 meter amps?
Your selling to free banders and such that illegally occupy the 10 
meter
amateur band ?
No shame?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bry Carling" <bcarling at cfl.rr.com>
To: <11meteramps at yahoogroups.com>; <amswap at mailman.qth.net>;
<amateurradiomarketplace at yahoogroups.com>;
<AmateurRadioSwap at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters

FOR SALE: Quality Panel Meters

Several extra nice NOS panel meters - these appear to be
unused but not sure.

QTY 2 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-200 MILLIAMPERES DC

QTY 1 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-500 MILLIAMPERES DC

QTY 1 WESTINGHOUSE: 0-150 VOLTS DC

All the above are the classic square face types with rounded corners.
Dimensions: 2-3/8" X 2-3/8" and require a 2" diameter hole.
These meters are available for $12.00 each

ALSO:
Two brand new DAYSTROM / WESTON Model 1521 panel meters
New In Boxes.... Beautiful round 0 - 1 mA meters with 2-1/2" outer
diameter and require a 2-1/4" mounting hole. These are the sealed,
"RUGGEDIZED," rear-shielded type meters.

QTY 2 available for $15.00 each plus shipping.

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:33:31 -0800
From: "Ian" <ianwebb5 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel
Meters
To: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <001e01ca93c6$81ce2960$856a7c20$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

My recollection, perhaps mistaken, is that the same person with the 
panel
meters also had 11 meter gear for sale that could easily be used on 10
meters.

My annoyance is the prevalence of Craigslist offerings in the SF Bay 
Area of
amplifiers and transceivers that have either already been converted to 
also
cover 10 meters or that are advertised emphasizing that they can be
converted to operate on 10 meters. And the advertisements are NOT aimed 
at
hams but at CBers.

It's strictly illegal by the way to sell items of that sort to anybody
including hams. I haven't looked at eBay lately but several years ago it
was obvious that the people auctioning that type of gear were aiming at
CBers. I had a running exchange of e-mail with the then eBay lawyer 
about
the fact that they were breaking the law and also a couple of exchanges 
of
e-mail with the FCC about that. I think/hope that they have cleaned up
their act since then.

I was happy to see that one of the eBay merchants I reported to the FCC 
was
subsequently cited and fined by the FCC for that continuing action.

As the sunspot cycle improves propagation we will likely again have the
competition of the illegal operation by CBers on the 10 meter ham band.

By the way, has anybody else who reads this list ever operated on 11 
meters
AS A HAM LEGALLY?? I used to do cross band with Australia and New 
Zealand
in the 1950s when I was on 10/11 meter AM with a DX-35. Full duplex 11
meter to 10 meter. A lot of fun operating that way but with the 
prevalence
of SSB and VOX not that novel these days...

Ian, K6SDE
Silicon Valley

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:47:36 -0500
From: W?QFC <erastber at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel
Meters
To: "Ian" <ianwebb5 at comcast.net>, <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <BFE6D77E8F8A4086A79AB4832D6BB377 at HP>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I recall that, in the early 60's there was a group of hams that ran 11 
meter
gear in the Denver area. . . .

At that time I had had my general ticket for over 10 years but also 
used CB
to talk to other hams. We all ran legal CB gear. . . .

I even remember my call ~ 15W?462! At that time it was sometime had to 
find
some one to talk to on CB.

Gene, W?QFC
Spring Hill FL

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:50:47 -0500
From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel
Meters
To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Cc: Ian <ianwebb5 at comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B4CE0A7.7070800 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

This recollection is indeed erroneous.

Bry Carling, AF4K was offering "components", I.e., air variable
capacitors to a number of lists. One of the lists happened to be an 11
mtr mail list.

This started the entire uproar. Seems like everybody wants to have a
shot at someone that is selling parts. Any radion or Amp that bry
sells, is on his web page. I've NEVER seen Bry sell 11 meter gear, or
sell the junk that purports to be usable on 10 meters.

Bob - N0DGN

Ian wrote:
> My recollection, perhaps mistaken, is that the same person with the 
panel
> meters also had 11 meter gear for sale that could easily be used on 10
> meters.
>
< BIG SNIP >

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:57:59 -0800
From: Bill Call <kf6wxj at gmail.com>
Subject: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters
To: Boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
<9442d5ff1001121257r7fa83095ic8f37b376ac5104f at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I have seen Bry on a few of my group lists and have never seen him
sell any Illegal amps. Quite honestly before this turns into a
Freeband, CB vs Ham flame discussion Ide suggest something gets done
about the 75/80 meter language problem. Some of them are much worse
that anything a CBer has ever said. 73, Bill kf6wxj

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
Date: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 11 meter amps ? Re: [AMSWAP] FS: Panel Meters
To: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
Cc: Ian <ianwebb5 at comcast.net>

This recollection is indeed erroneous.

Bry Carling, AF4K was offering "components", I.e., air variable
capacitors to a number of lists. ?One of the lists happened to be an 11
mtr mail list.

This started the entire uproar. ?Seems like everybody wants to have a
shot at someone that is selling parts. ?Any radion or Amp that bry
sells, is on his web page. ?I've NEVER seen Bry sell 11 meter gear, or
sell the junk that purports to be usable on 10 meters.

Bob - N0DGN

Ian wrote:
> My recollection, perhaps mistaken, is that the same person with the 
panel
> meters also had 11 meter gear for sale that could easily be used on 10
> meters.
>
< BIG SNIP >
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