[Boatanchors] Re: Boatanchors digest, Vol 4 #296 - 8 msgs

Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:20:10 -0600

If I get one of these types of amps... which I have ... and were to 
"disassemble" it for parts and
then rebuild the amp using the same parts and the same circuit .. there 
would be NO violation
of the rules...  The FCC has not made homebrewing illegal.....    AND as 
I understand it, there
is NO violation of the rules if I build three or four amps a year....    
Are you implying that if I decide I want an amp for each band because I 
have multiple rigs that it would be illegal for me to build
or modify an amp unless I did it ONE YEAR and ONE BAND at a time?  
As Spock would say.... "highly illogical" and I doubt that would be 
illegal...  I know MANY hams
who have several rigs in the shack and an amp for each band and they 
didnt acquire or build
one amp at a time over a five year period so they could have one each 
for 80 through 10.
Ray  wa7itz

Ray

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>   3. Re: 10/11 METER AMPS ([email protected])
>   4. Re: 10/11 METER AMPS (Glen Zook)
>   5. Re: 10/11 METER AMPS (Tracy Walters N1RKT)
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>Message: 1
>From: [email protected]
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 23:40:17 EDT
>Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 10/11 METER AMPS
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: [email protected]
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>Steve, WD8DAS writes:
>
><<I don't follow.... the current 97.315 would allow the use of the amplifier 
>in 
>question in a ham station for ten meters, since it meets the tests of (a) and 
>
>(b) (3) (ii).>>
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>97.315 (a)   The second sentence states in part that no external RF amp 
>capable of operation below 144MHz may be constructed or modified by a non amateur 
>without a grant of certification by the FCC.  (We all know that these imported 
>amps were never type approved since they were manufactured mainly for high 
>power 11 meter use and 10 meters was added in the hopes that they would be looked 
>upon as amps for amateur use. Either way, they were not type approved and 
>therefore illegal for use on either band.) As stated later, if an amateur 
>licensee modifies one for use at his station, it is legal but he may only modify one 
>during a calander year.
>
>97.315 (b) states that the amp must be certified for use in the amateur 
>service inless the conditions under (1)(i)(ii) are met which it appears are not.
>
>97-315 (3) (ii) states that the amplifier has to be modified by the licensee 
>for use at the licensee's station.  From the original email, he has not yet 
>modified the unit so it is not legal.  He states that he wants to put it on 6 
>meters, which will most likely require modification, making it legal.  If he 
>decides to put it on the air on 10 meters to try it out, he is then in violation 
>of the rules, unless he modifies it first.
>
>73,  
>
>John,  W4AWM
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Glen Zook <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 10/11 METER AMPS
>To: [email protected], [email protected]
>Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
>	[email protected]
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>47 CFR Part 97.315(b)(3)(ii):  (The amplifier was) 
>Modified by the licensee for use at the licensee's
>station.
>
>That takes care of the situation, even if the
>"modification" was nothing more than to plug the
>amplifier in and start operating on the 10 meter band!
>
>"Type acceptance" of the linear amplifier does NOT
>apply in these cases.
>
>47 CFR Part 97.315 in its whole covers all sorts of
>things concerning what has to be type accepted and
>what does not.  However, home brew amplifiers,
>modified amplifiers, etc., do NOT have to meet any
>type acceptance criteria.  They DO have to meet the
>technical criteria "spelled out" in 47 CFR Part
>97.307(d) for linears operating below 30 MHz and 47
>CFR Part 97.307(e) for those operating between 30 MHz
>and 225 MHz.  This is also "spelled out" in 47 CFR
>Part 97.317(a).
>
>But, again, it is perfectly legal for a licensed
>amateur radio operator with the appropriate license
>class to use one of these linears that were actually
>manufactured and sold for illegal operation.  However,
>the amateur also is responsible to make sure that the
>technical requirements are met.
>
>Glen, K9STH
>
>
>--- [email protected] wrote:
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>Please review Part 97.315 which pretty well explains
>my words.
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>Message: 3
>From: [email protected]
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 23:56:48 EDT
>Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 10/11 METER AMPS
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
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><<  the amateur also is responsible to make sure that the
>technical requirements are met.  >>
>
>That, in a nutshell, says it all.
>
>73,
>
>John,  W4AWM
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:59:30 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Glen Zook <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 10/11 METER AMPS
>To: [email protected], [email protected]
>Cc: [email protected]
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>The only "modification" required is to attach an
>antenna, ground wire, etc.
>
>If someone were to really press this point, then just
>changing out the fuse with one of a different type or
>current rating, or replacing the power cord, or even
>removing one screw from the unit would constitute a
>technical modification!
>
>Also, the restriction for modifying or building any
>linear is for one design type.  If the builder even
>substitutes a component value then he/she has
>"technically" built a different linear if the linear
>is homebrew.  If the linear is commercially
>manufactured, then an amateur can modify similar
>linears so long as they have different model numbers,
>manufacturer, etc.  Even something as small as a tube
>number difference, a changed capacitor or resistor
>value, etc. constitutes a "different" amplifier.
>
>In addition, the individual amateur could modify one
>amplifier on December 31 and another one on January 1
>of the next year (following day) since the limitation
>is per "calendar year".  Of course, then that
>particular amateur could not legally modify any more
>of that EXACT model until January 1st of the next
>year.
>
>So long as there is any difference at all between the
>linear amplifiers, a licensed amateur may modify one
>of each per calendar year.  If there were that many,
>he/she could modify several of different types of
>linear amplifiers every day for the entire year.
>
>The restriction is not for "one" amplifier that was
>originally built for some other use (i.e. illegally
>for 11 meters), but is for one of that EXACT model. 
>Again, the slightest difference legally makes the
>linear into a different model.
>
>Thus, if a linear were marketed as "Linear type A",
>then if the manufacturer were to make some slight
>modification and call the unit "Linear type A-1", that
>constitutes a separate model in the eyes of the FCC!
>
>Glen, K9STH
>
>
>--- [email protected] wrote:
>
>As stated later, if an amateur licensee modifies one
>for use at his station, it is legal but he may only
>modify one during a calander year.
>
>>From the original email, he has not yet modified the
>unit so it is not legal. If he decides to put it on
>the air on 10 meters to try it out, he is then in
>violation of the rules, unless he modifies it first.
>
>=====
>Glen, K9STH
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:01:04 -0500
>To: [email protected]
>From: Tracy Walters N1RKT <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] 10/11 METER AMPS
>Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
>	[email protected]
>
>Hi All,
>
>I think this conversation is rather mute. If you want to use one of these
>garbage amps fine. But lets use some good amateur practice and put this amp
>on a spectrum analyzer first and clean it up. Bottom line is one out of 50
>of these BOOTLEG amps fall with in specification of law or GOOD AMATEUR
>practice. Lets not promote these amps comming into the country by using
>them in our bands, as long as we do this we legitimize there entrance into
>the country. I have seen first hand mile after mile on our interstate
>system where 95% of them end up. It is getting tough to operate on 20
>meters at times because of the noise in the chicken band. I never did
>unerstand the mentalty of being able to be heard 20 miles away when you
>can't hear anything 20 feet behind your bumper.
>
>'73 Tracy  N1RKT
>
>At 08:40 PM 10/5/03 -0700, Glen Zook wrote:
>  
>
>>47 CFR Part 97.315(b)(3)(ii):  (The amplifier was) 
>>Modified by the licensee for use at the licensee's
>>station.
>>
>>That takes care of the situation, even if the
>>"modification" was nothing more than to plug the
>>amplifier in and start operating on the 10 meter band!
>>
>>"Type acceptance" of the linear amplifier does NOT
>>apply in these cases.
>>
>>47 CFR Part 97.315 in its whole covers all sorts of
>>things concerning what has to be type accepted and
>>what does not.  However, home brew amplifiers,
>>modified amplifiers, etc., do NOT have to meet any
>>type acceptance criteria.  They DO have to meet the
>>technical criteria "spelled out" in 47 CFR Part
>>97.307(d) for linears operating below 30 MHz and 47
>>CFR Part 97.307(e) for those operating between 30 MHz
>>and 225 MHz.  This is also "spelled out" in 47 CFR
>>Part 97.317(a).
>>
>>But, again, it is perfectly legal for a licensed
>>amateur radio operator with the appropriate license
>>class to use one of these linears that were actually
>>manufactured and sold for illegal operation.  However,
>>the amateur also is responsible to make sure that the
>>technical requirements are met.
>>
>>Glen, K9STH
>>
>>
>>--- [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>Please review Part 97.315 which pretty well explains
>>my words.
>>
>>=====
>>Glen, K9STH
>>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:09:11 -0400
>From: "Horace W. Hall" <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Boatanchors] QTH Needs Immediate Funding!
>To: BOATANCHORS List <[email protected]>
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>The last time I sent a donation, I included a note requesting an email
>confirmation that it had been received. Never heard a peep. So.....wonder=
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>if someone might have figured out that mail addressed to QTH.NET must be
>money and have been pilfering the mail? I'd hate to send more & not know =
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>To: [email protected]
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>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:00:53 -0400
>Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] QTH Needs Immediate Funding!
>From: [email protected]
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>that happened here in Ohio , a maintance man at the 
>Post Office was opening all the Birthday cards 
>for money and was getting rich until they got caught 
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>Don K8OMO
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>From: "Lloyd" <[email protected]>
>To: "boatanchors" <[email protected]>
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:33:19 -0700
>Subject: [Boatanchors] Donations
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>I just sent a donation to Al and got a very nice thankyou from him. I don't
>think the money goes astray
>Lloyd
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