[Boatanchors] Re Stereotypes

Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:19:48 -0400

This approach remained relatively unchanged until about the early 
eighties. Then
> the concept of 'full range amplification' replaced it. 

Well, you've got MY attention. I've repaired this stuff for years, but 
never delved into why the older stuff sounded som much better. Always 
assumed that the older stuff had just enough distortion, or fuzz in 
just the right places. 

More info, please.

John, KD8MQ

> John, 	
> 	
> No apology needed, but thank you for some sincerity. 	
> 	
> The design of the audio systems was built around the research of one 
particular
> individual. Anyone know who? Hint: very early fifties.	
> 	
> This approach remained relatively unchanged until about the early 
eighties. Then
> the concept of 'full range amplification' replaced it. Things have 
not sounded
> the same since! 	
> 	
> It might be fun to discuss this at length, as it does relate to 
vintage gear, be
> it sound equipment as opposed to receivers and transmitters. Those 
old tube amps
> and speakers certainly qualify in the boat anchor distinction area 
of, if you
> can lift it without getting a hernia, it ain't a boat anchor!  	
> 	
> If you want to hear a modern sound difference, compare a laser disk 
to a digital
> video disk! Really obvious in surround sound.	
> 	
> DBF	
> 
> 
> ----------
> From: John Myers <[email protected]>
> To: Duane Fischer, W8DBF <[email protected]>; 
[email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Re Stereotypes
> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:41 AM
> 
> Duane,
> 
> My sincere apologies for you, and anyone I offended in my reply to 
the 
> audiofools message. 
> 
> But, I was refering not to collectors, but to someone that would 
spend 
> well over $200 for this hunk of quartz.
> 
> As for myself, I agree that my old SX-838 sounds better than any 
audio 
> system in my home; even to my less than perfect ears. In fact, I 
bought 
> it with the intention to "EBay" it. After hearing it, I think I will 
> hang on to it for a year, or two, or 30.  
> 
> As I get older, I am appreciating the sound of high end audio, more 
> than ever before.
> 
> When I used the term "audiophools" in my post, I never gave a thought 
> to whether I would be offending anyone. That, I guess, make me human.
> 
> I apologize. 
> 
> John, KD8MQ
> 
> > 
> > 	
> > Stereotypes are a fact of life, whether we like it or not. While 
some 
> are
> > totally inaccurate and destructive, others are so ridiculous as to 
be 
> amusing
> > and are relatively inert. What i do not want happening on this 
list, 
> is the
> > branding of anyone, or any group, as "fools". You do not tell a man 
> who just
> > spent ten grand on a new tube amplifier that he is a fool, 
especially 
> if you
> > happen to be the seller! 	
> > 	
> > Foolishness, vanity and ego tripping can be found anywhere one 
cares 
> to look. To
> > one extent or another, we are all guilty of it now and then. The 
> downside is
> > that refering to an individual, or a group, as "fools" on these 
lists 
> is an
> > invitation for a flame war event. It is one thing to comment that 
> buying oxygen
> > free speed wire for speakers on a stereo system is 'ridiculous' 
> or 'foolish',
> > but another when you call the buyer a fool. Hence the reference 
> to 'audiofool'.	
> > 	
> > Walk up to a person in a store who just paid out hundreds, or 
> thousands, for
> > some product or accessory for his/her stereo system and tell them 
you 
> think they
> > are a fool! You may end up with that oxygen free wire around your 
> neck depriving
> > you of oxygen! Better to go home and chuckle in private than to do 
it
> > publically.    	
> > 	
> > When you publically call one person who paid $9,000 for a pristine 
rx 
> a fool
> > because no vacuum tube radio is worth that much, you just branded 
> collectors as
> > a group as being fools. 	
> > 	
> > Any group has individuals who go to extremes, including high end 
> audio devotees.
> > Some call them sound engineers, others refer to them as 'the sound 
> guy' and some
> > call them audiophiles. (I have seen this term spelled four 
different 
> ways,
> > wonder which one is actually correct?) There always has been, and 
> always will
> > be, someone who will go to the extreme, regardless of the venue, to 
> have the
> > latest or greatest fad or gimmick to enhance whatever. Just because 
> someone pays
> > a huge sum of money for a vintage boat anchor piece of equipment, 
> does not mean
> > that all who collect boat anchor equipment are 'fools'.    	
> > 	
> > I believe that we can all laugh at our own blunders or moments of 
> insane vanity,
> > or those of others, without having to resort to branding or name 
> calling. It is
> > one thing for you to say, "Boy, was I ever stupid! How could I have 
> been such an
> > idiot?" But if a stranger says that to you, the result is not apt 
to 
> be a smile
> > in return -  	
> > 	
> > So while we can all good naturedly laugh at each others moments of 
> neuron
> > synapse failure, let us not resort to labeling any group because of 
> any one
> > member of said groups extreme behavior. It is always best to avoid 
> stereotyping,
> > because most times the image portrayed is negative and hurtful. 
Which 
> takes on a
> > whole new perspective when it is 'you' who are being stereotyped. 	
> > 	
> > Duane W8DBF 	
> >   
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