[Boatanchors] Re: Boatanchors digest, Vol 4 #1 - 9 msgs
Jim
[email protected]
Thu, 02 Jan 2003 20:32:23 -0500
I'm surprised no one has mentioned The Eastwood Company.
(www.eastwoodco.com) They are a pioneer in powder coating for the hobbyist,
not to mention all the other restoration paints and chemicals. I could not
have restored my 1968 Mustang without their products. They have four pages
of wrinkle paint / powder products.
Jim
WA8SDF
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> 1. Re: Mouse mess... (Kenneth Hickman)
> 2. Re: Mouse mess... (Carl Huether)
> 3. Re: Mouse mess... (Dave Roscoe)
> 4. Re: Mouse mess... (Todd Bigelow - PS)
> 5. Re Excellent Mouse Info (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)
> 6. Re: Re Excellent Mouse Info (Todd Bigelow - PS)
> 7. Wrinkle paint ([email protected])
> 8. Re: Re: Wrinkle Paint (Barry L. Ornitz)
> 9. Wrinkle (Lloyd)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Kenneth Hickman" <[email protected]>
> To: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <[email protected]>,
> "Rod Hogg" <[email protected]>,
> "Boatanchors List" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:47:50 -0600
>
> Hi Duane & Gang,
>
> AMEN!
>
> Ken....N5CM....NNN0FKQ....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <[email protected]>
> To: "Rod Hogg" <[email protected]>; "Boatanchors List"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
>
>
>> Incorrect. The house mouse is also a carrier. It is the fecal matter that
> dries
>> and becomes dust that is the source of the inhaled deadly disease. I would
>> suggest rather than circulating misinformation, no matter how well
> intentioned,
>> that the concerned parties contact their local Animal Control or Health
>> Department officials. We are talking about a persons life here, not some
> minor
>> issue where a variety of opinions may or may not make any difference. This
> is a
>> potential deadly situation and the correct action is imperative.
>>
>> I would also request that any additional comments be sent to the person
> with the
>> question, as the topic has absolutely nothing to do with boat anchors,
> persay.
>> Issues that can affect the life, health and/or safety of a person must be
> dealt
>> with by trained professionals, and rightly so.
>>
>> Duane Fischer, W8DBF
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Rod Hogg <[email protected]>
>> To: Boatanchors List <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
>> Date: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:10 PM
>>
>> Info..
>>
>> We recently in past year or two were dealing with the hantivirus
>> here in Kansas. Advise from State Health agency was to spray the
>> possible mousey areas with Windex, or other agents with amonia in
>> it. Then if possible take object out into the sun for UV exposure.
>> Wearing rubber gloves and face mask. Seems the virus is spread
>> through the "dust" from the dried mouse urine.
>>
>> Have used the technique several times. Virus is only carried by
>> limited types of mice. Ordinary house mouse is not a carrier.
>>
>> Rod
>> K0EQH
>> Scott City KS
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> Message: 2
> From: "Carl Huether" <[email protected]>
> To: "Rod Hogg" <[email protected]>,
> "Boatanchors List" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:48:38 -0500
>
> Thats a relief!
> I spent the better part of a day sweeping up mouse nests off the shelves on
> to the floor of the shed, and then sweeping outside.
> Lots of dust and no precautions.
> This was a few months ago.
> Never heard of that virus out here in NH and neither has the town Health
> Officer so I guess Im safe.
>
> Carl
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Hogg" <[email protected]>
> To: "Boatanchors List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:10 PM
> Subject: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
>
>
>> Info..
>>
>> We recently in past year or two were dealing with the hantivirus
>> here in Kansas. Advise from State Health agency was to spray the
>> possible mousey areas with Windex, or other agents with amonia in
>> it. Then if possible take object out into the sun for UV exposure.
>> Wearing rubber gloves and face mask. Seems the virus is spread
>> through the "dust" from the dried mouse urine.
>>
>> Have used the technique several times. Virus is only carried by
>> limited types of mice. Ordinary house mouse is not a carrier.
>>
>> Rod
>> K0EQH
>> Scott City KS
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> Message: 3
> From: "Dave Roscoe" <[email protected]>
> To: "Carl Huether" <[email protected]>,
> "Rod Hogg" <[email protected]>,
> "Boatanchors List" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:36:33 -0500
>
> Oh, Man, I love this Ham Radio....
>
> The week between celebrating the Birth of the Christ Child , and the Coming
> of the New Year, and we are all consumed with mouse feces, dried urine, and
> wrinkle paint finishes.
>
> Maybe a lot of us should get out more.
>
> Seasons Greetings.
>
> 73 Dave W1DWZ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Huether" <[email protected]>
> To: "Rod Hogg" <[email protected]>; "Boatanchors List"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
>
>
>> Thats a relief!
>> I spent the better part of a day sweeping up mouse nests off the shelves
> on
>> to the floor of the shed, and then sweeping outside.
>> Lots of dust and no precautions.
>> This was a few months ago.
>> Never heard of that virus out here in NH and neither has the town Health
>> Officer so I guess Im safe.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rod Hogg" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Boatanchors List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:10 PM
>> Subject: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
>>
>>
>>> Info..
>>>
>>> We recently in past year or two were dealing with the hantivirus
>>> here in Kansas. Advise from State Health agency was to spray the
>>> possible mousey areas with Windex, or other agents with amonia in
>>> it. Then if possible take object out into the sun for UV exposure.
>>> Wearing rubber gloves and face mask. Seems the virus is spread
>>> through the "dust" from the dried mouse urine.
>>>
>>> Have used the technique several times. Virus is only carried by
>>> limited types of mice. Ordinary house mouse is not a carrier.
>>>
>>> Rod
>>> K0EQH
>>> Scott City KS
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Boatanchors mailing list
>>> [email protected]
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/boatanchors
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>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:48:52 -0500
> From: [email protected] (Todd Bigelow - PS)
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Organization: Department of Public Safety
> To: Carl Huether <[email protected]>
> Cc: Rod Hogg <[email protected]>,
> Boatanchors List <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
>
>
> Carl Huether wrote:
>
>> Thats a relief!
>> I spent the better part of a day sweeping up mouse nests off the shelves on
>> to the floor of the shed, and then sweeping outside.
>> Lots of dust and no precautions.
>> This was a few months ago.
>> Never heard of that virus out here in NH and neither has the town Health
>> Officer so I guess Im safe.
>
> Carl & group -
>
> We had a case over here in Vermont in the last year or so. Can't give you
> details because I don't know them - could've been transplants who moved here
> from NM or points south and brought it with them, could've been a critter that
> rode in on a delivery truck, could've been domestic. It's not common here for
> sure, but it's not unheard of either. As Duane says, when dealing with life
> it's best to err on the side of caution. And, although it's not specific to
> radio itself, I'm guessing that as more old boatanchors are retreived from
> barns, garages, cellars and the likes, more mouse nests will be found. Perhaps
> more of a problem now than before with the increased interest in these fine
> old
> rigs. I saw Tim WA1HLR pass up a 200V a few years back at HossTraders because
> it had a mouse nest in it, but I think it was more the urine/stench issue.
> Brian N1HUT picked it up for $100 and cleaned it well, now has a nice rig. It
> certainly requires a different approach and more effort and thought than your
> typical cleaning. If you've handled as many rigs as TimTron, there comes a
> point where you get sick of the Mouse aspect.
>
> If it's been months since you did your cleaning you're probably safe. I think
> the symptoms manifest themselves in a relatively short period of time.
> Probably
> wouldn't hurt to read up on it though, just to be better informed. Like HV in
> a
> transmitter, it's just another facet of safety to be aware of.
>
> Good luck to all and wishes for a safe and happy New Year -
>
> Boomer, KA1KAQ
>
>
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> Message: 5
> From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:06 -0500
> Subject: [Boatanchors] Re Excellent Mouse Info
>
>
>
> This was sent to me privately, but I think it is worth reading in its entirety
> here.
>
> The 'ONLY' reason I think it is wise to stay clear of this topic here, is
> because of the risk to human lives being the underlying factor. The topic
> absolutely is one we should be concerned about. Many stories have circulated
> in
> newspapers, on radio broadcasts and TV programs on this subject. What is
> important, is that the precise facts are set forth in their entirety and the
> danger to human life is eliminated, or in cases of necessary involvement,
> minimized as much as is possible given the conditions. I am not sure this list
> is the place for that discourse, however.
>
> Unfortunately way too much incorrect or misleading or incomplete information
> has, and continues, to circulate. Such as the issue with the common rodent
> found
> in many homes. I personally heard two media discussions that named this rodent
> as a carrier. I think Robert is correct in pointing the focus to the Center
> For
> Disease Control for 'hopefully' factual information on said issue. So let us
> do
> precisely that.
>
> From: Robert Nickels <[email protected]>
> To: Duane Fischer, W8DBF <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
> Date: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:41 PM
>
> Duane,
>
> Since you have deemed this discussion off-topic, perhaps you would care to
> refer anyone who is after the FACTS on hantavirus to this CDC webpage.
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5109a1.htm
>
> A fellow who worked for me about 5 years ago died from HPS after cleaning
> outbuildings on his farm without taking proper precautions, so I have become
> very familiar with the facts of Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome. The comments
> made by Rod Hogg are correct as the CDC article explains, and as long as
> amateurs who might come into contact with mouse excreta in the course of
> cleaning old radios follow the CDC recommended clean-up precautions, the
> risk is as manageable as anything else we deal with on a daily basis.
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:21:17 -0500
> From: [email protected] (Todd Bigelow - PS)
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Organization: Department of Public Safety
> To: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Re Excellent Mouse Info
>
>
> "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" wrote:
>
>> This was sent to me privately, but I think it is worth reading in its
>> entirety
>> here.
>>
>> The 'ONLY' reason I think it is wise to stay clear of this topic here, is
>> because of the risk to human lives being the underlying factor.
>
> <snip>
>
>> From: Robert Nickels <[email protected]>
>> To: Duane Fischer, W8DBF <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] Mouse mess...
>> Date: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:41 PM
>
> <snip>
>
>> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5109a1.htm
>>
>> A fellow who worked for me about 5 years ago died from HPS after cleaning
>> outbuildings on his farm without taking proper precautions, so I have become
>> very familiar with the facts of Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome. The comments
>> made by Rod Hogg are correct as the CDC article explains, and as long as
>> amateurs who might come into contact with mouse excreta in the course of
>> cleaning old radios follow the CDC recommended clean-up precautions, the
>> risk is as manageable as anything else we deal with on a daily basis.
>
> Duane and Bob -
>
> Thank you for sharing this information. Hopefully it will educate many of us
> the the
> actual facts. I can certainly see your side of it Duane, as many tend to
> parrot
> something they heard without really understanding it or knowing the actual
> facts.
>
> Personally, I'm glad we have discussions about such varied topics as wrinkle
> paint
> and hantavirus, since they all seem to be related to boatanchors in some way.
> Maybe
> it's because I still have a lot to learn? As my parents always told me, "It's
> what
> you learn after you know it all that counts".
>
> 73, Boomer KA1KAQ
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:30:26 -0600 (CST)
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Boatanchors] Wrinkle paint
>
> On page 98 of the January 2003 QST there is a new products item about
> Total Electronics, www.nctotalelectronics.com,
> www.angelfire.com/nc/totalclectronics
>
> They make matching paint for various amateur and commercial equipment
> of the past, and says spray cans of black wrinkle are also available.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> From: "Barry L. Ornitz" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:31:23 -0500
> Subject: [Boatanchors] Re: Re: Wrinkle Paint
>
> Carl Huether, KM1H, wrote:
>
>> 1. Yes it covered less than perfect metal work, it was great
>> over bent lip cabinets and spot welds. But I dont
>> believe it was cheaper. It took time to cure and Im sure
>> rejects were fairly common at least with the OEM
>> suppliers such as Philco, Delco.
>
> Remember this is 60 to 70 year old technology. It was much
> cheaper at the time. For a good glossly paint finish, it took
> a skilled painter to put down several coats - over a properly
> prepared surface. The wrinkle paint could be applied in one
> heavy coat by an unskilled operator over a fairly rough
> surface. As far as oven curing, this was done with all paint
> in use at the time if you needed fast production. The
> original wrinkle paints took only slightly longer to cure in
> the oven than did the gloss paints (due to their added
> thickness). But consider that parts had to be oven cured
> between the minimum of two coats needed for gloss surfaces.
>
> Setting up the painting process took longer then than it does
> these days since there was more variability in the paint
> batches. Typically test panels made of scrap would be used to
> adjust the painting parameters and the oven curing time.
>
>> 2. It was durable. Particularly auto radios and speakers
>> that were firewall mounted and got kicked a lot. Thats
>> one of the reasons Im looking, Ive several radios and
>> speakers to restore.
>
> Like all oil-based paints, it is durable. But also the
> wrinkle finish does not show scratches and dings as bad as
> does glossy paint. Likewise fingerprints do not show.
>
>> 3. Powder coating. That was mentioned on a car forum as
>> well as from here. They are also supposed to be easy to
>> clean, something old wrinkle couldnt claim.
>
> I think we have a problem with many readers understanding what
> a wrinkle finish actually is. Many obviously think any
> textured surface is wrinkle which it is not. And as I noted
> earlier, there are many varieties of wrinkle alone.
>
> As of a few years ago, when I checked with the Eastman chemist
> who headed their R&D efforts in powder coatings (Mike Chang),
> there was no wrinkle finish available in powder coatings.
> Textured coatings, like those found on modern electronic
> equipment, abound. He noted that probably there would be no
> demand for such a product, even if it could be developed.
>
> So duplicating the original wrinkle finishes on commercial
> equipment of the 1930's and the military stuff of the 1940's
> is quite difficult. Sadly most of the formulations used in
> wrinkle paints in those days were kept as trade secrets.
> Relatively few patents were ever issued, and as anyone who has
> read many patents knows, these give little useful information.
>
> Tung oil varnishes are still available (but at high cost). It
> might be worth looking at these to develop a wrinkle base that
> could be oversprayed with colored lacquer.
>
> 73, Barry L. Ornitz WA4VZQ [email protected]
>
> P.S. The comments about Earl Scheib by Duane amusd me: "A
> blind man with a spray can could do better!" This reminds me
> of the bargain paint job my Turkish office partner in graduate
> school had done to his VW beetle. It came back painted, all
> right, including the chrome, headlights, wiper blades, and
> windows. I think that blind man did the painting.
>
>
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> Message: 9
> From: "Lloyd" <[email protected]>
> To: "boatanchors" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:39:33 -0700
> Subject: [Boatanchors] Wrinkle
>
> I have had several different aircraft panels done by a place in White City,
> Or, and I have seen their sample work. They can produce anything from a very
> fine
> wrinkle to a very course wrinkle. Do not know how they do it but I believe
> they could reproduce anything they were given a sample of, and they custom
> mix colors. Mind you this is a shop that specializes in this work, not a run
> of the mill kit bought at Eastman.
> Lloyd Godsey KK7IZ
> 1315 N. Udall Circle
> Mesa, Az 85203
> Please visit my web page
> http://members.cox.net/kk7iz/kk7iz/index.htm
>
> [email protected]
>
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