[ARRL-OK] hassled ham

Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:53:42 +0100

I believe in this or any other state that it is illegal to use an electronic
transmitter or scanning device to elude law enforcment or to use it in the
commision of a crime.

Personally I fail to understand why any municipality or agency would make it
illegall to monitor any public service agency for any civic law abiding
resident.  It would only be precautionary for any agancy to put out any
"blanket legislation" against it.

Sounds like that municipality has something to hide!

MAH
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Wyatt" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-OK] hassled ham

Hi Mark,

I understand and agree with your position completely. What I was
trying to say and, after re-reading my post, did a fairly poor job of
it.  Without actually saying it,  I was wondering, had there been
some kind of encounter with the FCC, maybe some sour gapes were
behind the stop.  There is no doubt, at the very least,  it was a
moment of  poor judgment on behalf of the deputy.  I know there are
times when a little jealousy has developed involving communications
between hams and locals. This I have learned from over 25 years as a
Ham and 30 years in local, county and state gov., much of which was
in public service.

Education is an excellent approach and John would be my choice to
make a visit to the area. Also, reminders that agencies like Oklahoma
Dept. of Public Safety, FEMA and NWS endorse the efforts of Ham Radio
might not hurt.  Scanners and our freedom to listen to many
frequencies has always been a bit of a problem with some law
enforcement agencies and personnel.  That is why education and a
helpful hand, on our part, is so important.

Hope this makes my thoughts a little clearer and sorry for muddying
the waters.  Oh and John,  welcome to the never con traversal hobby
of ham radio. (grin)

Bill,  N5WO

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:30:27 -0500, M. Schneider wrote:
>I don't believe there was any question about this ham using the
>radios
>out-of-band in this case.  In the posting he made, he stated he told
>the
>deputy he was licensed by the FCC, in response to the deputy's
>statement
>that the radios were illegal in Wagoner County.  No mention of
>frequencies
>used.
>
>My points are: First, this appears to be an unjustified stop, based
>on the
>presence of extra antennas on the ham's vehicle.  I'm concerned that
>this
>might be an attitude at least condoned by the sheriff in Wagoner
>County.  I
>travel a lot in various areas of Oklahoma, and don't wish to have to
>go
>through the hassles that might occur should  some agency decide to
>make my
>radios an issue, even though they are entirely legal.  Second, I'm
>disturbed
>that this deputy apparently has so little knowledge of state laws
>regarding
>radios in the vehicle, never mind the federal preemption in regards
>to
>amateur radio.  Unless Wagoner County has passed an anti-scanner law
>(possible, but I've been unable to find one), there is no basis in
>state law
>as I have read it for the deputy's statement.
>
>As Lloyd Colston has pointed out, we haven't heard the deputy's side
>of the
>story.  Considering that, I'd still like to see somebody from the
>ARRL,
>possibly our new SM (Hi John!), look into this and find out what is
>going on
>in Wagoner County.  Possibly some education is needed.
>
>Mark Schneider - K5MAR
>Asst. EC, Payne County, OK ARES
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Wyatt" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 4:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [ARRL-OK] hassled ham
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Not wanting to speak out of school but, if my memory serves me
>>correctly.  Didn't the FCC get involved in a deal with local and
>>county gov. using Ham radios, not type accepted for use outside the
>>ham bands in that area of Oklahoma.  Seems I remember this as we
>>have
>>had the same, on going, problem in Northwest Oklahoma.
>>
>>So, if this is correct, the deputy was speaking correctly, from his
>>position.  Ham radios are illegal in the public service bands.
>>Even
>>for hams.
>>
>>Have a good weekend,
>>
>>Bill, N5WO
>
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