[ARC5] ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 31

Peter Gottlieb kb2vtl at gmail.com
Tue Jun 19 11:30:32 EDT 2018


Just because you like scotch doesn’t mean you don’t also enjoy a good glass of wine or a cold brew.


Peter

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I have a radio with a proprietary chip that has failed. I am going to try using one of the inexpensive arduinos to provide the missing functions. I think that approach is viable. It comes to the same thing as 'updating' older legacy gear with more modern parts - parts that were not available when those radios were designed and manufactured. I am updating newfangled gear with even newer and more fangled (?) parts.
> 
> Maybe we should be thing more about that. Before excommunicating me consider that I am still using gear that was made in the 1930s and 1940s and still using a Johnson lashup (ranger and accessories) along with a DX-100 and overhauling a HW-16 for regular use. Not least is my RAK-7 and those aircraft command receivers. It's all good :)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bill  KU8H
> 
>> On 06/19/2018 11:03 AM, Mark K3MSB wrote:
>> You can use tube gear in contests and use computer logging; that avoids
>> the paper log and duping process.    A memory keyer avoids the glass
>> arm.   That’s a nice way to do vintage contesting.   Of course if your
>> transmitter and receiver doesn’t have a transceive function the workload
>> goes up significantly and, in my opinion, it’s no long fun.  I did this
>> for quite a few years when I owned my completely decked out Drake C
>> Line.    I am still kicking myself for selling those radios…..
>> 
>> You can take computer integration to various levels.    Our club station
>> is fully integrated with web spotting.    New mults show up in the
>> dialog box.   I click on the spot and the transceiver goes to the
>> spotted frequency.    I push a “button” on the display and squirt out
>> our call,  then push another button to send the exchange.    Push yet
>> another button and I’m back to where I was.     It’s the way of modern
>> contesting.     I’ve lamented it’s kind of like shooting fish in a
>> barrel,  and I really wish the contest organizers would allow
>> multi-single non-assisted entries;  most only allow multi-single
>> assisted.    But I’m a bit of a dinosaur……
>> 
>> One of the drawbacks of modern radios is, as has been pointed out,
>> custom chips that will eventually go end of life.    Hams are used to
>> radios that last a long time;  the end of life time for these custom
>> parts is a lot less.   So, the big contesters will not be using radios
>> that are very old.     It’s the same for all the electronics in our
>> cars.    I wonder what the agreed upon end of life time is for a car
>> produced in recent years, between manufacturers and suppliers.     I’m
>> used to keeping cars until they are driven to the junk yard.    I just
>> bought a new 2018 and I doubt I’ll be able to do that.    I think the
>> introduction of all this in-vehicle  electronics will be causing a
>> fundamental shift in the used car market.    Same for the used ham
>> market, but on a smaller scale.
>> 
>> 73 Mark K3MSB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:25 PM jbrannig <jbrannig at verizon.net
>> <mailto:jbrannig at verizon.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>    I used a lot of tube gear in various contests, seperates, amps with
>>    plug in coils, S-lines, etc.
>> 
>>    BUT,  contest software and  a rig connected to a computer....is the
>>    difference between working a contest and enjoying one.
>> 
>>    Spend hours dupe checking a paper log with 800+ QSO's and producing
>>    a contest summary......or click and send.....
>>    Band maps, spotting, one click band change.
>> 
>>    While I'm still comfortable sending with my right hand and writing a
>>    log with my left....typing in calls beats all... and no glass arm
>>    the next day...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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>>    Date: 6/18/18 8:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
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>>    Subject: ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 31
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>>       1. Re: ARC5 Digest, (Christopher Bowne)
>>       2. Re: ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 29 (Glen Zook)
>>       3. Re: Batteries That Do Not Corrode? (Robert Downs)
>>       4. Re: ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 29 (Mkdorney)
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>>    Message: 1
>>    Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:03:04 -0400
>>    From: Christopher Bowne <aj1g at sbcglobal.net <mailto:aj1g at sbcglobal.net>>
>>    To: w8au at sssnet.com <mailto:w8au at sssnet.com>
>>    Cc: arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
>>    Subject: Re: [ARC5] ARC5 Digest,
>>    Message-ID: <5CF5DEF1-E9E0-444E-8551-35B5162344AB at sbcglobal.net
>>    <mailto:5CF5DEF1-E9E0-444E-8551-35B5162344AB at sbcglobal.net>>
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>>    That?s why I?m running a CE 20A/600L and Halli receivers of late ,
>>    with the factory converted T-20/ARC-5 VFO, while my Yaesu FT-100D is
>>    OOC, probably permanently.
>> 
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>    > On Jun 18, 2018, at 17:30, w8au at sssnet.com
>>    <mailto:w8au at sssnet.com> wrote:
>>    >
>>    > At 05:11 PM 6/18/2018, jbrannig wrote:
>>    >> Unless you use tube gear for CW contesting......
>>    >
>>    > And tube gear can be repaired for a long time to come since
>>    standard parts are used.
>>    > Try to fix a solid state rig containing IC's produced for a
>>    specific production or time frame
>>    > and you are out of luck.
>>    >
>>    >>
>>    .................................................................................
>>    >> Mark D.  WW2RDO wrote:
>>    >> Bet you don't find a lot of vacuum tube gear still being used. If
>>    vacuum tube stuff were easy to keep operating, everybody could do
>>    it.? The latest, greatest wiz bag gear is easy to get and use if you
>>    have the money to do it.? Where's the fun in that?? I feel sorry for
>>    the guys who don't use the old gear.?
>>    >> Keep 'em glowing
>>    >
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>>    Message: 2
>>    Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:19:30 +0000 (UTC)
>>    From: Glen Zook <gzook at yahoo.com <mailto:gzook at yahoo.com>>
>>    To: jbrannig <jbrannig at verizon.net <mailto:jbrannig at verizon.net>>,
>>    "arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>"
>>    <arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>>
>>    Subject: Re: [ARC5] ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 29
>>    Message-ID: <1957836257.1567564.1529360370280 at mail.yahoo.com
>>    <mailto:1957836257.1567564.1529360370280 at mail.yahoo.com>>
>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>>    If you are in an area that has a fair number of contesters, then a
>>    lot of the solid-state equipment goes "belly up" and the tube type
>>    gear keeps rolling along!? "Front end" overload!
>> 
>>    Actually, with equipment like the Collins S-Line or Heath SB-Line,
>>    and with appropriate CW filters, tube type equipment can keep right
>>    up with the "modern" equipment and, usually, with a cleaner signal!?
>>    Glen, K9STH?
>>    Website: http://k9sth.net
>> 
>>          From: jbrannig <jbrannig at verizon.net
>>    <mailto:jbrannig at verizon.net>>
>>    To: arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
>>    Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 4:12 PM
>>    Subject: Re: [ARC5] ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 29
>> 
>>    Unless you use tube gear for CW contesting......
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>>    Message: 3
>>    Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:42:51 -0500
>>    From: "Robert Downs" <wa5cab at cs.com <mailto:wa5cab at cs.com>>
>>    To: <arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>>
>>    Subject: Re: [ARC5] Batteries That Do Not Corrode?
>>    Message-ID: <010f01d40755$b121e470$1365ad50$@com>
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>> 
>>    They did and they do.  As I just told Jim, I corrected the error the
>>    next
>>    day but there is no way on a reflector to un-ring the bell.
>> 
>>    Robert Downs
>> 
>> 
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    From: arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>    <mailto:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>>    [mailto:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>    <mailto:arc5-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On
>>    Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
>>    Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 2:22 PM
>>    To: arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
>>    Subject: Re: [ARC5] Batteries That Do Not Corrode?
>> 
>>        I have the same impression. I read something recently about
>>    how these batteries were assembled but don't remember where.
>>    Maybe on the web. However a google search for lantern batteries
>>    turned up
>> 
>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_battery   Which mentions
>>    both D and F cells.
>>    Also:
>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes
>>    which has dimensions. F cells are about half way down.
>> 
>>    On 6/18/2018 12:04 PM, Jim Wiley wrote:
>>    > I always thought that a standard? "lantern battery" consisted of
>>    > four type "F" cells, not "D" cells.
>>    >
>>    > - Jim, KL7CC
>>    >
>>    >
>> 
>>    --
>>    Richard Knoppow
>>    1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com <mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
>>    WB6KBL
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>>    Message: 4
>>    Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 20:18:26 -0400
>>    From: Mkdorney <mkdorney at aol.com <mailto:mkdorney at aol.com>>
>>    To: Glen Zook <gzook at yahoo.com <mailto:gzook at yahoo.com>>
>>    Cc: "arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>"
>>    <arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>>, jbrannig
>>    <jbrannig at verizon.net <mailto:jbrannig at verizon.net>>
>>    Subject: Re: [ARC5] ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 29
>>    Message-ID: <22262A2D-E10B-4748-8206-5A042B0FC6B4 at aol.com
>>    <mailto:22262A2D-E10B-4748-8206-5A042B0FC6B4 at aol.com>>
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>>    But it?s not the latest wiz-bang gear!!! Won?t that upset the
>>    Amateur Radio elite??
>> 
>>    Keep ?em glowing
>> 
>>    Mark D
>>    WW2RDO
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>    > On Jun 18, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Glen Zook via ARC5
>>    <arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>>    >
>>    > If you are in an area that has a fair number of contesters, then a
>>    lot of the solid-state equipment goes "belly up" and the tube type
>>    gear keeps rolling along!  "Front end" overload!
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > Actually, with equipment like the Collins S-Line or Heath SB-Line,
>>    and with appropriate CW filters, tube type equipment can keep right
>>    up with the "modern" equipment and, usually, with a cleaner signal!
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > Glen, K9STH
>>    >
>>    > Website: http://k9sth.net
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > From: jbrannig <jbrannig at verizon.net <mailto:jbrannig at verizon.net>>
>>    > To: arc5 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
>>    > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 4:12 PM
>>    > Subject: Re: [ARC5] ARC5 Digest, Vol 173, Issue 29
>>    >
>>    > Unless you use tube gear for CW contesting......
>>    >
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