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...'Morning, gang,...OSHA is very much more than electrical safety by
far,..My career at G.M. presented an opportunity to volunteer as an OSHA
inspector, Once per week, I had a "route" in the plant, and a list of
things to check,..also had the authority to shut down any operations that
were not up to "par",..Believe it or not, most infractions were caused by
management disregarding safety in order to keep Their production numbers
up,..as far as tying off double switches designed to keep both your hands
clear of moving parts,..often, when tradesmen worked on a repair job,
(including me),..a standard lock out and warning tag would be put on an
electrical switch box,..a required first move,.only to have management
remove it so the production worker could continue, with the tradesman still
at work,..not funny at all, I'm speaking of tradesman crawling into a press
big enough to make entire locomotive side panels,..or up high to work on
giant gears and bearings,..often a "Boss" would break the safe lock off the
machine because he said he didnt see anyone working,..DUH,  he couldnt see
the repairman because he was inside the machine,..Chemical safety is
another "sore" spot in factories,..so many times workers would disregard
handling and storage regulations, just to save time (instructed to do so by
management again)..there are still uses for cyanide in industry,..it is a
deadly product to be near without proper handling,..guys would leave open
cans around and it would be carried into the air by just drafts,.....this
goes on and on,..my point is ,..OSHA most people deal with isnt at all just
about electrical wires and plugs  see ya, W9ESX Chicago....

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Bob via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Actually, under OSHA beginning in 1969  deaths per 100k dropped from 18
> per 100K to 3.6 per 100K as of 2009.  In 1937 deaths per 100K was 42 per
> 100K.  So there was a downward trend in industrial deaths, but to say that
> OSHA has not been effective is anything but correct. As one who has worked
> in the telecommunications industry for over 50 years I certainly cannot
> complain about the electrical safety enhancements brought about by OSHA and
> related work place safety measures.
> As one who can remember the working environment in the early 1960s where
> it was quite common for a millwright (ME) to have to hang onto to a working
> overhead crane in motion with his knees while trouble shooting a control
> relay with 440 and 880 VAC feeds with no protection and only a "Wiggly" as
> a test instrument.  You'd never see that today in a factory operating under
> OSHA rules and regulations.
>
> Cheer's Bob, KE6F
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
> To: arc5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 4:49 pm
> Subject: [ARC5] unsubscribe
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2016 7:22 PM, Bruce Long via ARC5 wrote:
> > /
> > You speak the gospel truth, Brian. Designing for safety is treated in
> America
> > as a crime of psychotics and socialists and it is the patriotic duty of
> every
> > American to live dangerously by owning and using shoddily made
> electrical
> > appliances. Every safety improvement made in American products has been
> done
> > under threat of litigation, not by our elected representatives working
> to give
> > us a safe and healthy environment. It's been a rich harvest for product
> > liability lawyers for decades./
> >
> > Perhaps a little off topic but I remember reading many years ago that 30
> years
> > of OSHA ( the Federal government work place agency here in the US)
> regulation
> > and inspections led to no detectable improvement in workplace injuries
> and
> > fatalities. This sorta kinda makes sense to me. If you are dumb enough
> to
> > work live electrical wires using an OSHA mandated non-conductive
> fiberglass
> > step ladder instead of an aluminum step ladder is not likely to make a
> whole
> > lot of different.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* J Mcvey via ARC5 <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> > *To:* Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>; Arden Allen <
> gumbear at pacbell.net>
> > *Cc:* Boatanchors List <boatanchors at theporch.com>; ARC-5 List
> > <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>; Robert <w4rl at bellsouth.net>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:23 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [ARC5] [BoatAnchors] 125 VAC Line? Make Your BA's Happy,
> Cheap.
> >
> > Nicola Tesla used to refer to voltage as "pressure". I think it stemmed
> from
> > an ohms law water analogy that was common in his time. Perhaps it stuck
> as
> > common usage in Australia?
> > It's obscure here in the states...
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:42 AM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ATTENTION COMRADE ARDEN!
> >
> > Put down that dangerously hot, unlicensed, soldering iron and step away
> from
> > the workbench! The Safety Police will be arriving shortly to confiscate
> all
> > that dangerous unlicensed radio equipment with high tension, err high
> > pressure, err, high emf, err high voltage power supplies with Exposed
> Wiring.
> > It has come to our attention that most of your radios were manufactured
> by
> > Evil Corporations (redundant) led by Evil Executives (redundant again)
> who
> > attended Business Schools where they teach courses like "How to
> electrocute
> > babies for fun and profit".
> > In return for the seized radio equipment, you will be issued 1 ea.
> D-Cell
> > battery and a small quantity of conductive paint.
> > A Safety Monitor Telescreen will be installed in your home to ensure
> that you
> > don't swallow or otherwise misuse the D-Cell and paint.
> > Have Fun!
> >
> > From Your Big Brothers at the Department of Redundancy Department
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:07 AM, Arden Allen <gumbear at pacbell.net
> > <mailto:gumbear at pacbell.net <gumbear at pacbell.net?>>> wrote:
> >
> > .......Just as a point of interest, the number of electrocutions through
> >
> > 'playing with' 230 Vac is almost negligible. It is virtually
> > impossible even for idiots to get across the mains - modern connectors
> > make touching live circuitry extremely difficult. This is not the case
> > in the USA.
> >
> > You speak the gospel truth, Brian. Designing for safety is treated in
> > America as a crime of psychotics and socialists and it is the patriotic
> > duty of every American to live dangerously by owning and using shoddily
> > made electrical appliances. Every safety improvement made in American
> > products has been done under threat of litigation, not by our elected
> > representatives working to give us a safe and healthy environment. It's
> > been a rich harvest for product liability lawyers for decades.
> >
> > Arden Allen
> > KB6NAX
> >
> >
> >
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