[ARC5] Lend-Lease (was P-40 Found in Desert)

Sat May 12 21:40:11 EDT 2012

Funny but I dont think that stretching payments over 66 or so years at the 
WW2 exchange rate was a bad deal for the UK. They received the same deal 
from Canada and paid that also.

Generosity is one thing but the Brits have a high level of responsibility 
and ethics and arent like many countries always with their hand out and then 
stab the US in the back once they have the money.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie Smith" <vk2bcu at operamail.com>
To: "ARC-5 List" <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ARC5] Lend-Lease (was P-40 Found in Desert)

> Hi Dennis,
> Thank you for this.  I'm pleased to have your correction, and from a
> public source too.
> I completely misunderstood this, and suspect I got the wrong info from
> what would be considered a'reliable' source.  Just shows the value of
> checking/asking.
>
> Still, I like the illusion of an incredibly generous neighbour/ally.
> Pity to have lost that.
>
> -- 
>  Leslie Smith
>  vk2bcu at operamail.com
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012, at 02:50 PM, Dennis DuVall wrote:
>> Lot of Google hits on this question, see
>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6215847.stm
>>  > for ex.
>>
>> Dennis D.  W7QHO
>> Glendale, CA
>>
>> **********************
>> On May 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Leslie Smith wrote:
>>
>> > Hello List,
>> > I would like to check the point that "UK paid all its bills".
>> > I understand that no account was kept of lend-lease either to the UK
>> > or
>> > to Russia.
>> > I would like to have this confirmed (or denied) by a competent
>> > historian
>> > using this list.
>> >
>> > I think this (lend-lease) was one of the most astonishing acts of
>> > generosity in history.
>> > D-Day and the losses by the 8th Air Army was more generous (in terms
>> > of
>> > the cost to USA).
>> > As I understand, USA began to supply lend-lease before Pearl Harbour,
>> > due to some ingenious "politick-ing" on the part of that greatest of
>> > US
>> > Presidents, Rooseveldt.  I remember in April '45 (funeral oration or
>> > more likely in the press) it was said that men would remember his name
>> > in 100 years, fall to their knees and say, "Thank God".   Well it's
>> > true.  We should do that.  US has seen a number of brilliant
>> > Presidents
>> > and FDR stands shoulder to shoulder with the very best.
>> >
>> > Returning to lend-lease - That's the reason for my interest in "Uk
>> > paid
>> > all it's bills".
>> > I don't believe the USA put in a bill.
>> >
>> > The other person we should thank is Eleanor R's policy for refugees
>> > and
>> > the UN policy on refugees that resulted (1948.)  She was  prescient in
>> > that regard.
>> >
>> > 73s
>> >
>> >
>> >  Leslie Smith
>> >  vk2bcu at operamail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 12, 2012, at 03:02 PM, Geoff wrote:
>> >> I believe the UK paid all its bills which is more than some countries
>> >> did.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, 260 Squadron was flown by the RCAF if the current reports from
>> >> Canada
>> >> and the UK are correct. Hopefully they were as good at records
>> >> keeping as
>> >> the Germans.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Robert Eleazer" <releazer at earthlink.net>
>> >> To: <arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:16 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [ARC5] P-40 Found in Desert
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Looking on some of the enthusiast websites, it seems that based on
>> >>> squadron codes barely viewable on the side, the airplane belonged
>> >>> to 260
>> >>> Squadron, an RAF outfit.  It needed some repair to the landing
>> >>> gear so a
>> >>> pilot, apparently Flt Sgt Dennis Copping, was directed to fly it
>> >>> with the
>> >>> wheels down to a repair center.  It had long been assumed that he
>> >>> got lost
>> >>> and ran out of fuel, ending up MIA.
>> >>>
>> >>> But it does not look like the wheels were down when it landed, or
>> >>> else it
>> >>> would likely have flipped on its back.  The pilot may have got the
>> >>> wheels
>> >>> up before making belly landing, which would be a wise thing to do.
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder if perhaps since they were sending it to a repair center
>> >>> they
>> >>> yanked the regular radio and put in that battery pack radio.  A
>> >>> view of
>> >>> the cockpit shows what looks like a cable with an antenna
>> >>> connector on it
>> >>> sticking up from somewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for Aussie P-40's in the Middle East, there is a book on the
>> >>> subject
>> >>> entitled "Desert Warriors: Australian P-40 Pilots at War in the
>> >>> Middle
>> >>> East" which is available on half.com for only $252.25.   Y'all
>> >>> better
>> >>> hurry because David is no doubt gonna jump right on that!
>> >>>
>> >>> I fully expect that airplane to be restored to flyable condition.
>> >>> I have
>> >>> seen far worse wrecks returned to the air recently.
>> >>>
>> >>> And by the Lend Lease rules under which that airplane was provided
>> >>> the
>> >>> U.K. could either pay us for it or hand it back when they were done.
>> >>>
>> >>> Wayne
>> >>> WB5WSV
>> >>>
>> >>>
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