[ARC5] [armyradios] Re: [Milsurplus] [MRCA] AN/PRC-74 Schematics

Tue Dec 4 09:49:26 EST 2012

I think it was probably done as an expedient. It's just easier to lock
everything down than to review each document on a case-by-case basis.

Also, LOGSA for civilians was really a goodie, and not part of the mission.

That doesn't mean I like it, but IMO it's not unreasonable.

There was a guy in europe, about 8-10 years ago, who contacted me offering
up most all of LOGSA, restricted or not. He wanted fairly high prices. I
don't know if it was real or not, but it smelt funny. Nothing ever came of
it.

YMMV,

-John

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> To bad that LOGSA is not more open to the public.  I understand the need
> to keep the modern comsec stuff under wraps, but to reclassify the Vietnam
> stuff after 9/11 and even some Korean war radios was a bit over the top.
> A lot of the VRC-12 material is not available anymore nor some PRC
> manuals.  Wonder where some of that has gone?  It was digital so should
> still be somewhere.  Anyone still in the military that knows?  Also how
> about our international friends, do you have a spot to download from or do
> you have the same problem?
>
> John. WD5ENU
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 20:02, Robert Newberry <N1XBM at amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> These guys cover everything from the beginning up to current. They have
>> quite the archive.
>> On Dec 2, 2012 9:00 PM, "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know there are several antique wireless museums that focus on pre-
>>> WWII
>>> stuff. That is of little interest to me.
>>>
>>> My interest is in the real engineering design, which really started in
>>> WWII. Just look at electronics that was made in 1935 v. one from 1945.
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> ===========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> There is also the antique radio and Wireless communication museum
>>> ...think
>>>> I got the name wrong in Windsor, CT that tries very hard to preserve
>>>> this
>>>> info too.
>>>>
>>>> I watched a PBS documentary on a guy who collected vinyl records.
>>>> According
>>>> to the national archives all of the music that was put to vinyl on 10%
>>>> is
>>>> available to the public. They said this guy has over 80% of all vinyl
>>> ever
>>>> made.
>>>>
>>>> Sad thing is ...no one cares or is interested he can't find anyone
>>>> interested in it. He is trying to find a home for his collection
>>>> valued
>>> at
>>>> over 50 million his asking price is 8 million ...still no offers.
>>>> On Dec 2, 2012 8:02 PM, "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 2:40 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>>>> BUT, my concern is long term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where I worked till retirement (National institute of Standards and
>>>>> Technology) I knew a fellow who was their expert in microfilm.  He
>>>>> and
>>>>> the US National Archivist were on first name basis.  He strongly
>>>>> believed that the way to make stuff available to the most people most
>>>>> easily was with computers.  He also adamantly believed that the ONLY
>>>>> way
>>>>> to preserve printed information for the LONG term was microfilm.
>>>>> Period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes and no.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like computers because they and the SW are now mature and stable
>>>>> enough
>>>>> that the information can be copied and distributed at essentially no
>>>>> cost.
>>>>> Furthermore, the files can be stored on any technology, from 8"
>>>>> floppies
>>>>> to Flash RAM, to hard drives to CDs and DVDs to cloud servers. OIf
>>>>> you
>>>>> want backups, they are just a click away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microfilm or fiche is largely a dying format, IMO. Just try and get a
>>>>> fiche duplicated. I was able to, but it took going to MIT Graphic
>>>>> Arts
>>>>> to
>>>>> get it done. Also, the media, either silver or dry diazo, is not
>>>>> eternal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, it takes special rquipment to get a hard copy of even 1
>>>>> page.
>>>>> Also, if the image is corrupted, you are screwed. Andsome of the
>>>>> images
>>>>> I've seen are pretty bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, the way to go for mere mortal is Acrobat or a clone that makes
>>>>> compatible files.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... Google, by scanning it incompletely, is
>>>>>>> hastening the very loss of information they are seeking to
>>>>>>> preserve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think they do not really have a noble, altruistic, conservators
>>>>> viewpoint on preserving stuff.  They really only want profit.
>>>>>> Claiming to have scanned lots of stuff is just part of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> No argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, Google is probably using their other businesses to data
>>>>> mine.
>>>>> An
>>>>> example:
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of days ago, I received an email link of a snow globe. The
>>>>> text
>>>>> said 'enter your street address to see a pic of your house in the
>>>>> globe'.
>>>>> Oh, BTW, you had to have Cookies enabled or it would not work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the app is simple...  it grabs a pic of the address you enter
>>>>> from
>>>>> Google Street View and pastes it into the snow globe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The site is:  http://www.draftfcb.com/holiday2011/
>>>>>
>>>>> BUT, Google now has set a Cookie in your computer and can tie that to
>>>>> the
>>>>> street address you entered. Sure, you may have entered a friends
>>>>> address
>>>>> also, but while gathering Street View pics, that have also been
>>>>> logging
>>>>> ISP information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody want to bet they are not correloating it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Google may be out to do 'good', but it's THEIR vision og good.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV,
>>>>>
>>>>> -John
>>>>>
>>>>> ============
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roy Morgan
>>>>>> k1lky at earthlink.net
>>>>>> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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