[ARC5] zero

Fri Aug 17 14:18:58 EDT 2012

FWIW, trying to enforce IP rights in China is a totally wasted effort.
About the only thing that works is to have US Customs waylay the product
at it's port of entry.

Tey did that recently with $18 M of designer shoe knockoffs.

-John

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> Francesco
> When the Huawei incident that I described happen we immediately contacted
> Cisco for advice as Cisco was a customer and as it was the right thing to
> do.  They told us to ignore it and go ahead and bid if we liked.  This was
> when China was starting its massive build up of internet infrastructure. 
> I suspected they felt having some of that business was better than having
> none of the business- a likely result if they attempted to do something
> about the theft of their IP where the IP rights of Cisco would be measured
> against the claims of a Chinese government owned company in a Chinese
> government appointed court of IP law.
>
> They might have been archiving these thefts for the day Hauwei attempted
> to sell these " ahm' derivative products in the west where they could
> exert their IP rights to a government other than that which owned Hauwei
>
> My congratulations to you for remembering how to spell Hauwei-  a task i
> can never seem to do myself....bruce
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Francesco Ledda <frledda at att.net>
> To: Bruce Long <coolbrucelong at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "kgordon2006 at frontier.com" <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>;
> "Arc5 at mailman.qth.net" <Arc5 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARC5] zero
>
> Huawei was banned from selling routers in the US after losing a lawsuit
> with Cisco for IP infringement. I worked for Northern Telecom and Huawei
> had two products the 1600 and 3500 that looked like carbon copies of the
> LH1600 and OM3500. I have never understood why legal actions were never
> taken.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Bruce Long <coolbrucelong at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> sakae engine copy of Pratt Whitney
>>
>> Does not surprise me.  I had read about a US designed and manufactured 
>> late 1920's perhaps 1930s locomotive steam engine that was
>> purchased by the Japanese and then copied.  There was some sort of
>> design flaw or manufacturing flaw that required the boiler on that
>> particular engine to be cut lengthwise in half, the flaw repaired and
>> the boiler welded back together.  The Japanese copy faithfully copied
>> that cut and weld.  I believe I read of a japanese copy of the venerable
>> National HRO5 receiver as well with similar "attention to detail".
>>
>> With respect to the Zero I see and hear flying here in central
>> Pennsylvania it might well have a Pratt-Whitney engine in it for all I
>> know.
>>
>> There is also a Mitchel B25 bomber flying in the mid-state area and it
>> also makes the forth of july flyby.  This has a distinctive sound as
>> well--  a drop what you are doing and pick up the kids and run to the
>> back yard to see what is going on- distinctive sound.  But somehow to my
>> ear that sound lacks the threating snarl that I associate with the
>> mid-state zero.
>>
>>
>> While we are talking about technology copies about 15 years ago at the
>> bringing of the internet boom I was designing precision quartz crystal
>> oscillators.  A large portion of the oscillators went into Cisco
>> routers.
>>
>> One day we received a request for quote for an absolutely huge quantity
>> of precision oscillators from Wai-Wa  the multi-billion dollar
>> electronics company "owned" by the government of the Peoples Republic of
>> China.  The mechanical drawing of the oscillator design we where
>> supposed to bid on was a poor photocopy apparently of a fax of a Cisco
>> internal drawing with the Cisco sign off table at the bottom right side
>> of the drawing and the bold letter marking "Cisco Propitiatory" still
>> intact.  They had not even bothered to white that stuff out.
>>
>> At present I am working at a small technology start up.  Our office
>> computer system is reguarly snooped from a small number of IP address we
>> have been able to trace back to Bejing and we have had PR Chinese
>> Nationals, mostly students at the local business school contact us on
>> various premises to arrange a visit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Kenneth G. Gordon <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
>> To: Bruce Long <coolbrucelong at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Arc5 at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARC5] zero
>>
>> On 16 Aug 2012 at 7:27, Bruce Long wrote:
>>
>>> The sound of the engine is
>>> both unique and manificent but I must admit every time I hear it- even
>>> before I knew there was a Zero in the region- it sends a tremor of
>>> fear up my spine.  It just sounds dangerous and threatening.  Maybe I
>>> watched too many WW2 propaganda films as a boy.
>>
>> Hee hee! Possibly, that last is correct. :-)
>>
>> However, the Zero's original engine, the Sakae 12, 14 cylinder two-row
>> radial, was an almost exact copy of the very similar Pratt and Whitney
>> engine of the same design. Recently, on a Zero that was being restored,
>> there was discovered the exact same plaque that P&W put on each of their
>> engines, "Performance with Reliability" in English!
>>
>> Ken W7EKB
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