[AMRadio] Comment to a comment

Wed Nov 2 06:57:49 EDT 2011

Tell that to my son and his wife who have four children on the honor roll 
and all with i-Pads.  It certainly does keep them preoccupied and not under 
the feet of their parents (grandpap).

Are you saying that school officials are "dumb" not to have computers in 
their schools.  However, you mention primary school which I assume is grades 
K-3.  You and I are in agreement!

As a former school superintendent and elementary principal, we did not 
introduce computers into the elementary school until grade 5.  However, that 
was then and this is now.  I now see children in the primary grades sitting 
in front of a computer - I believe that is overselling the importance of 
computers; but, it certainly keeps them preoccupied while their teachers can 
monitor and not teach!!

Steve Jobs knew before anyone else that computers should be in the 
classroom.  Schools all across this nation had Apples.  Of course, that was 
smart marketing at that time and made him a billionaire.

David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
Collins Radio Association - Join Today

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Atkinson" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Comment to a comment

I think that walking around wired to an i something or with a face
glued to an i fone all the time is not exactly a sign of intelligence.

In fact, a recent article in the New York Times reported that ~ 100 of
the Silicon Valley wealthiest high tech parents, the top dogs at
Apple, eBay, Google, Yahoo and HP  and other such places send their
kids to a special expensive private school, the Waldorf School of the
Peninsula, that does not even have a single computer or any other
electronics at all.  One of the parents was quoted as saying it is
ridiculous to expose a kid to a computer while he or she is in primary
school.

Here is the article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/technology/at-waldorf-school-in-silicon-valley-technology-can-wait.html?pagewanted=all

The young parents at these hip high tech firms, apparently have
realized something I have known for years--being in continuous contact
with various "high tech" gadgets doesn't make one smarter; it induces
what I consider multi-tasking brain-rot, a sort of mindless manic
hysteria.   Flex Radios don't help hi hi.

73

Rob
K5UJ

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:40 AM, David Knepper <collinsradio at comcast.net> 
wrote:
> Remember this that these kids are smarter in so many ways, 
> technologically,
> than the hams today who don't even own a soldering iron let alone an 
> i-Pad.
> Perhaps, we could learn a "thing or two" by entering their world.
>
> My youngest grandson (7 years old) would never give up his i-Pod for my
> Collins. For that matter I am cautious whenever he comes into the shack
> unexpectedly and I am listening to a net where crusty old men are bitching
> or swearing as if they were in "Uncle Joe's saloon." The last time I broke
> into a QSO to remind an individual to tone it down, I was told to _____ I
> can't repeat it here. So much for self-policing the bands.
>
> I say we are the one's that need to change or at least, not feel 
> intimidated
> by the world of cyberspace. The thought has just come to me: has anyone
> ever tried introducing code to the elderly in our nursing homes? Excuse me
> now but I am off to make a CW contact that is both relaxing and a 
> stimulant
> for whatever mind I have left!
>
> David Knepper, W3CRA/W3ST
> Collins Radio Association
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Comment to a comment
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> We need to go back to fostering electronics education and
>> building and starting new hams out on HF.
>
> I agree Rob - 'we' need to do this. What are you doing now to
> introduce, invite, or otherwise encourage new hams to join our ranks?
> It really is our job to do, not the FCC's. The vast majority of hams I
> know do nothing in this vein, choosing to instead blame cell phones,
> computer games, the internet and other new technologies for the lack
> of interest from young people. Keep in mind that most kids today know
> radio only as internet radio. They don't have a set by their bed like
> many of us did, or even know what a shortwave radio is. Most of us
> learned about radio through hearing and seeing some form of it in
> action. As my wife said recently when I mentioned that kids don't know
> what radio is these days (she's a K-8 school principal): "They don't
> know what a CD is either". Technology moves fast, and the technology
> that brought the world to us isn't the technology they get their music
> and remote social contact from. Only 'we' will change that.
>
>> No test of any time can "filter out poor character and
>> unethical behavior" and that was never the intent of any FCC testing
>> in the past as far as I know. But an examination of some level of
>> rigor can serve to attract people with a passion and love of radio and
>> a curiosity of the science of radio.
>
> This was the main reason I hated to see the CW requirement leave. I
> had some false sense of security in believing that requiring someone
> to learn a particular part of the hobby that was of no interest to
> them was a way of proving that they could or would apply themselves.
> Clearly this was wrong, as proven by current comments about the
> satellite and other obscure questions on the Extra exam. I happen to
> believe that knowing the code is a handy thing, like knowing another
> language that could save your life, basically. Unfortunately, many
> others disagree with me as does the FCC. Pining for the good old days
> didn't help me any, so I decided to move on with what we have and make
> the best of it.
>
> While the internet is a wonderful tool for moving information and
> discovering things, I think it also fosters a false sense of
> accomplishment for many, who vent their frustrations through email or
> websites, then go on about life feeling they've accomplished
> something. "Preaching to the choir" comes to mind. (o:
>
> ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4
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