[Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
Michael Osborne
strongbird41 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 11 11:09:41 EDT 2023
Agree
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, 10:26 AM Joe Porcelli <porcej at gmail.com> wrote:
> Howdy folks,
>
>
>
> Hope ya’ll are doing well. I'm now super confused as to what's going on
> with the proposed changes to the Articles of Incorporation.
>
>
>
> After a careful review of Roberts Rules of Order I recommend the following
> course of action:
>
> - Strike the vote on the proposed Articles of Incorporation
> - A motion be made to empower a committee to investigate non-profit
> status with following parameters:
> - The committee members should be named in the meeting and include
> the president.
> - Defined scope to seeking 501(c)3 or 501(c)7 status (or whatever
> scope you feel is relevant)
> - Defined time whatever time frame you feel appropriate (I would
> suggest between 1 and 3 months)
> - At the end of the allotted time, the committee presents a proposal
> with accompanying reasoning to the general membership. That
> proposal could
> be one of the following:
> - Status quo - the committee recommends maintaining course with
> the organization.
> - Seek 501(c)3 status - The committee recommends reincorporating
> as a 501(c)3 corporation and why
> - The committee should also recommend a path towards
> reincorporating as a 501(c)3 organization (proposed Articles of
> Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the
> same
> - Seek 501(c)7 status - The committee recommends reincorporating
> as a 501(c)7 corporation and why
> - The committee should also recommend a path towards
> reincorporating as a 501(c)7 organization (proposed Articles of
> Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the
> same
> - Once presented at a general membership meeting, a motion should
> be made to vote on the committee's proposal. If the proposal
> includes
> changes to the organization's defining documents, then the vote
> should be
> scheduled for a future meeting and the documents made available to
> the
> general membership for review. If the committee's proposal is to
> move
> forward in some other way (seek legal counsel etc) a review period
> may or
> may not be appropriate and the vote could occur straight away.
>
> To be clear, I don't have an issue with the proposed changes to the
> Articles of Incorporation. I do however feel the process undertaken thus
> far is flawed and that the membership should get a seat at a table that
> decides what our Organization will look like in the future.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joe, KT3I
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 9:13 AM <don.ki4d at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob - appreciate your comments. I have often remembered how we wisely
> took
> > a pause to consider your comments about the revisions to the bylaws in
> > 2020-2021 when I was president. Thanks to you for that.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will try to answer your question, which I consider very valid. At the
> > outset Sean, I, and others had assumptions that the proposal was a "no
> > brainer," meaning that the assumption was "who could be against
> tax-exempt
> > status," so we figured if we did our homework with the board, it would
> fly
> > right through with membership. After all, in taxes and for tax return
> > preparation, we pay out about one-fourth of our annual income from club
> > dues; and with tax-exempt status (501(c)(3) we would become eligible for
> > grants from the ARRL and the City of Alexandria to help fund club
> equipment
> > and other needs in the future. The proxies were constructed with that
> > optimism and
> >
> > thought process in mind. Obviously, that is not the situation we are
> > facing
> > now with the misleading and alarming information that has been circulated
> > about the articles. The tax-exempt status is no longer a "no-brainer"
> with
> > some people..
> >
> >
> >
> > So, my advice to everyone is to wait for the outcomes of meetings about
> the
> > proposal before voting, while we get to the bottom of things.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Don, KI4D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bob Brickner <BBrickner at gbbinc.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:42 AM
> > To: don.ki4d at gmail.com; 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org>;
> 'Alexandria
> > Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net>; 'President (W4HFH)'
> > <President at w4hfh.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy
> > Form
> > for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
> >
> >
> >
> > Don, thanks for the update about the process. But I am really confused
> now.
> > If the intent is to solicit member input and have a good debate about
> > issues, and then consider such to redraft the document for another
> meeting
> > (maybe two), why are Proxy votes being submitted on the current draft for
> > Friday night if that is not the final document? Was the process for
> > handling
> > this proposed revision clearly described to all members and being done in
> > accordance with the current charter? Thanks, Bob Brickner KM4TZZ
> >
> >
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> > <alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net> > on behalf of
> > don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> <don.ki4d at gmail.com
> > <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:01:00 AM
> > To: 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> >;
> > 'Alexandria Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net
> > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> >; 'President (W4HFH)'
> > <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> >
> > Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy
> > Form
> > for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Ken - your concerns are valid. However, there never was a plan
> to
> > put all of the words in the articles "in concrete" and only allow voting
> on
> > the existing words; hence, the articles ae still in draft. That thought
> > never even occurred to me. In the corporate and business model, there is
> > an
> > orderly process that allows for discussions of proposals before voting by
> > membership, which includes changes if there a consensus. That is exactly
> > what we were attempting to do. There was a preemptive strike on the
> > proposal with misleading and alarming information before it was released,
> > so
> > that is where we are now.
> >
> >
> >
> > I can assure you that all of this will be addressed fully at the meeting
> on
> > Friday, and if not, continuing on following meeting(s) until it is done.
> >
> >
> >
> > Again, thanks for your thoughtful consideration.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Don, KI4D
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kenneth R. van Wyk <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:51 AM
> > To: Alexandria Radio Club <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net
> > <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> >; President (W4HFH)
> > <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> >
> > Cc: alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com
> > <mailto:alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy
> > Form
> > for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe seeking tax-exempt status for ARC is not just appropriate, but
> > vital.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also believe it is worth taking the time to get the words right in such
> > important documents as an organization's foundational documents.
> >
> >
> >
> > And, I believe Rick has raised important and valid concerns with the
> > current
> > wording of the proposed governance documents. I have read through the
> > currently proposed governance documentation, and I don't believe we're
> > there
> > yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > My preference is to see Rick's concerns properly addressed prior to
> putting
> > this to a vote. But, if a vote must be taken on the current
> documentation,
> > I
> > feel I have no choice but to vote against. I do so with the hopes that
> > revisions can be made so that our club's tax-exempt status can be
> achieved.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am happy to volunteer to assist with document revisions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken van Wyk
> >
> > Armata Scientia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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