[Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
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Wed Oct 11 10:39:52 EDT 2023
I agree with Joe. WE have other business as well. We Per OUR CURRENT BY LAWS, need to establish a nominating committee and set up for club elections in November. Those who want to run for office may do so.
While I will submit a proxy, there are at least three members who have NOT been able to submit.
I suggest that this issue can wait until we can read, review and study a FINAL version of the proposed new charter. This is a very important change to a club that has been successful for 70 years. To change the charter is a BIG thing and it needs to be done with all due diligence.
73 Rick
N4ASX
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From: alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net <alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Joe Porcelli
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 10:20 AM
To: don.ki4d at gmail.com
Cc: President (W4HFH) <President at w4hfh.org>; Alexandria Radio Club <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only] Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
Howdy folks,
Hope ya’ll are doing well. I'm now super confused as to what's going on with the proposed changes to the Articles of Incorporation.
After a careful review of Roberts Rules of Order I recommend the following course of action:
- Strike the vote on the proposed Articles of Incorporation
- A motion be made to empower a committee to investigate non-profit
status with following parameters:
- The committee members should be named in the meeting and include
the president.
- Defined scope to seeking 501(c)3 or 501(c)7 status (or whatever
scope you feel is relevant)
- Defined time whatever time frame you feel appropriate (I would
suggest between 1 and 3 months)
- At the end of the allotted time, the committee presents a proposal
with accompanying reasoning to the general membership. That proposal could
be one of the following:
- Status quo - the committee recommends maintaining course with
the organization.
- Seek 501(c)3 status - The committee recommends reincorporating
as a 501(c)3 corporation and why
- The committee should also recommend a path towards
reincorporating as a 501(c)3 organization (proposed Articles of
Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the same
- Seek 501(c)7 status - The committee recommends reincorporating
as a 501(c)7 corporation and why
- The committee should also recommend a path towards
reincorporating as a 501(c)7 organization (proposed Articles of
Incorporation/bylaws change) or how to go about choosing the same
- Once presented at a general membership meeting, a motion should
be made to vote on the committee's proposal. If the proposal includes
changes to the organization's defining documents, then the vote should be
scheduled for a future meeting and the documents made available to the
general membership for review. If the committee's proposal is to move
forward in some other way (seek legal counsel etc) a review period may or
may not be appropriate and the vote could occur straight away.
To be clear, I don't have an issue with the proposed changes to the Articles of Incorporation. I do however feel the process undertaken thus far is flawed and that the membership should get a seat at a table that decides what our Organization will look like in the future.
Cheers,
Joe, KT3I
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 9:13 AM <don.ki4d at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob - appreciate your comments. I have often remembered how we wisely
> took a pause to consider your comments about the revisions to the
> bylaws in
> 2020-2021 when I was president. Thanks to you for that.
>
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> I will try to answer your question, which I consider very valid. At
> the outset Sean, I, and others had assumptions that the proposal was a
> "no brainer," meaning that the assumption was "who could be against
> tax-exempt status," so we figured if we did our homework with the
> board, it would fly right through with membership. After all, in
> taxes and for tax return preparation, we pay out about one-fourth of
> our annual income from club dues; and with tax-exempt status
> (501(c)(3) we would become eligible for grants from the ARRL and the
> City of Alexandria to help fund club equipment and other needs in the
> future. The proxies were constructed with that optimism and
>
> thought process in mind. Obviously, that is not the situation we are
> facing now with the misleading and alarming information that has been
> circulated about the articles. The tax-exempt status is no longer a
> "no-brainer" with some people..
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>
>
> So, my advice to everyone is to wait for the outcomes of meetings
> about the proposal before voting, while we get to the bottom of things.
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> 73
>
> Don, KI4D
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> From: Bob Brickner <BBrickner at gbbinc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:42 AM
> To: don.ki4d at gmail.com; 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org>;
> 'Alexandria Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net>; 'President (W4HFH)'
> <President at w4hfh.org>
> Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only]
> Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
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> Don, thanks for the update about the process. But I am really confused now.
> If the intent is to solicit member input and have a good debate about
> issues, and then consider such to redraft the document for another
> meeting (maybe two), why are Proxy votes being submitted on the
> current draft for Friday night if that is not the final document? Was
> the process for handling this proposed revision clearly described to
> all members and being done in accordance with the current charter?
> Thanks, Bob Brickner KM4TZZ
>
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> <alexandriaradioclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
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> don.ki4d at gmail.com <mailto:don.ki4d at gmail.com> <don.ki4d at gmail.com
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:01:00 AM
> To: 'Kenneth R. van Wyk' <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> >;
> 'Alexandria Radio Club' <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net
> <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> >; 'President (W4HFH)'
> <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> >
> Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only]
> Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
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> Thanks, Ken - your concerns are valid. However, there never was a
> plan to put all of the words in the articles "in concrete" and only
> allow voting on the existing words; hence, the articles ae still in
> draft. That thought never even occurred to me. In the corporate and
> business model, there is an orderly process that allows for
> discussions of proposals before voting by membership, which includes
> changes if there a consensus. That is exactly what we were attempting
> to do. There was a preemptive strike on the proposal with misleading
> and alarming information before it was released, so that is where we
> are now.
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> I can assure you that all of this will be addressed fully at the
> meeting on Friday, and if not, continuing on following meeting(s) until it is done.
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> Again, thanks for your thoughtful consideration.
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> 73
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> Don, KI4D
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> From: Kenneth R. van Wyk <ken at vanwyk.org <mailto:ken at vanwyk.org> >
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:51 AM
> To: Alexandria Radio Club <alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net
> <mailto:alexandriaradioclub at mailman.qth.net> >; President (W4HFH)
> <President at w4hfh.org <mailto:President at w4hfh.org> >
> Cc: alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:alexandria-radio-club-current-membership at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Alexandria Radio Club Reflector] [ARC Members Only]
> Proxy Form for Tax-exempt Proposal Referendum
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> I believe seeking tax-exempt status for ARC is not just appropriate,
> but vital.
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> I also believe it is worth taking the time to get the words right in
> such important documents as an organization's foundational documents.
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> And, I believe Rick has raised important and valid concerns with the
> current wording of the proposed governance documents. I have read
> through the currently proposed governance documentation, and I don't
> believe we're there yet.
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> My preference is to see Rick's concerns properly addressed prior to
> putting this to a vote. But, if a vote must be taken on the current
> documentation, I feel I have no choice but to vote against. I do so
> with the hopes that revisions can be made so that our club's
> tax-exempt status can be achieved.
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> I am happy to volunteer to assist with document revisions.
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> Cheers,
>
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> Ken van Wyk
>
> Armata Scientia
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