[ADXA] BE ALERT - E51EME

Tue Aug 27 13:39:41 EDT 2024

My M2 is up 56 feet and I saw the W3LPL video about an increase in
noise going above 50 feet, but I wasn't going to take the tower down in
height, hi.  However I can say there are times when K5VR can outhear me and
even work things I can't!  We are only a few blocks apart!  I can see his
tower from here.

His antenna is for sure a different angle of radiation than what I have
up.  The above doesn't happen much, thankfully, but it does happen.  Weird
band for sure.  I have grown to love 6m because of that.

73 jay/w5jay..

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 4:44 AM <w5znjoel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course I have further comments !!!!!! 😊
>
>
>
> If you’re going to discuss antennas you need to understand signal
> propagation and what works best in different situations. Its not so much a
> factor on between 10 and 28 MHz but above and below it does, especially on
> 50 MHz.  Different heights will produce different results depending on the
> type of propagation. F2 is a bit different than Sporadic E but you can get
> to a point where you’re splitting hairs.
>
>
>
> I’ve had stacked six meter antennas for a long time and can switch between
> them individually. While there have only been two situations where I could
> not hear the DX station on the higher antenna, I have never seen a
> situation where I could not hear the DX on an antenna at 27 ft, 52’, 77’
> for 102’. The one thing I do notice is the higher the antenna the higher
> the noise floor.
>
>
>
> So,  Frank’s statement is correct, of course, (who am I to dispute E.F.
> “Frank” Hutton??) and 50 ft is an excellent height choice. Will you lose
> something with the antenna at 30 ft or 100 ft? Maybe, but most likely not.
> Remember, 6 meters isn’t called the “Magic Band” because it’s a cute name.
> The different propagation methods at play can open and close at any time
> and your buddy a few miles down the road may not hear anything.
>
>
>
> Bottom line – BE READY WITH WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN THE AIR
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> 73 Joel W5ZN
>
>
>
> *From:* adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net <adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On
> Behalf Of *Steven Rutledge
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2024 11:36 AM
> *To:* adxa at mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* Re: [ADXA] BE ALERT - E51EME
>
>
>
> George, read W3LPL's paper on six meter antenna height.  50' the best and
> 40' no problem.  My antenna is at about 80' and I can tell people with
> lower antennas are smoking me.  This is a 28' boom.  I just didn't know at
> the time.  Many ops have antennas they can switch between at different
> heights.  When I first got exposed to six meter DX in WDC, it was when F2
> was hopping.  Everyone told me bigger and higher for F2.  That might be
> true but Frank, LPL, says 50' is best for E DX.  Maybe Joel has further
> comments.  I would love to lower my six meter antenna but it would be
> terrific job.
>
> Kind regards and 73,
>
> Steve
>
> On 8/24/2024 9:40 AM, w5zn at w5zn.org wrote:
>
> Some gud DX there George.
>
>
>
> 32 ft is an excellent height for a 6 meter antenna. If you believe you
> need a 50 MHz antenna at 120 ft for 99% of the six meter DX, then create a
> model of your antenna and run a simulation of the vertical pattern at that
> height and the nulls will surprise you!!!!!!
>
>
>
> ZN
>
>
>
> *From:* adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net <adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> <adxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net> *On Behalf Of *WB5JJJ
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2024 9:32 AM
> *To:* ADXA Mailing List <ADXA at mailman.qth.net> <ADXA at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [ADXA] BE ALERT - E51EME
>
>
>
> I've been lucky with my 6m Oceania contacts.  Here is my paltry list of 73
> compared to many ADXA members.  But I've only had a decent 6m beam at 32'
> for about 10 years and NO amp.  I'm still surprised as to how well it works
> WHEN CONDITIONS ARE RIGHT.  Otherwise, it might as well be a dummy load up
> there.  I got ONE Hawaii and TWO Alaska within about 15 minutes last year
> to round out my WAS on 6m.
>
>
>
> *DXCC Entity*
>
> *6M*
>
> ALASKA
>
> NL7S <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1560481724>
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> ANGUILLA
>
> VP2ETE <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1363283876>
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> CAYMAN ISLANDS
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> ZF1EJ <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=768272184>
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> CHILE
>
> CE3SX <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1512970511>
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>
> COSTA RICA
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> TI2CDA <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1058998239>
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> CROATIA
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> 9A8A <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1370139431>
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> CUBA
>
> CO2QU <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=502568277>
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> PJ2MAN <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1546923557>
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> OZ3K <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=955237649>
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> ENGLAND
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> G0HVQ <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=950299944>
>
> FALKLAND ISLANDS
>
> VP8NO <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1675200441>
>
> FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY
>
> DK1MAX <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=941960249>
>
> FIJI ISLANDS
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> 3D2AG <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1786212495>
>
> FRANCE
>
> F5BZB <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=941960247>
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> GALAPAGOS ISLANDS
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> HD8MD <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1888093307>
>
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>
> OX3LX <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1370357566>
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> GRENADA
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> J35X <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1358496892>
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> GUADELOUPE
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> FG1JS <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=843357224>
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> GUATEMALA
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> TG9ANF <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=934195490>
>
> HAITI
>
> HH2AA <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=777813214>
>
> HAWAII
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> KH6HI <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1544926060>
>
> HONDURAS
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> HR9/K6VHF <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1808698771>
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> ICELAND
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> TF1A <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=951048434>
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> IRELAND
>
> EI3KD <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=945856111>
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> ISLE OF MAN
>
> GD0TEP <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1535360635>
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> PANAMA
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> PUERTO RICO
>
> WP4JCF <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=506853270>
>
> SAINT LUCIA
>
> J68HZ <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1184249499>
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> SCOTLAND
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> GM4VGR <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1204698211>
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> SLOVENIA
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> S57RR <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=948915836>
>
> SPAIN
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> EA4EJR <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=942753958>
>
> SURINAME
>
> PZ5RA <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1184239468>
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> SWEDEN
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> SM6NOC <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1196146961>
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> SWITZERLAND
>
> HB9Q <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1545470296>
>
> TRINIDAD & TOBAGO
>
> 9Y4D <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=768296120>
>
> UKRAINE
>
> UT7QF <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1737524872>
>
> UNITED NATIONS HQ
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> 4U1UN <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1167673756>
>
> UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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> K4N <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/carddetail?card=983211863>
>
> URUGUAY
>
> CX7CO <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1519311347>
>
> US VIRGIN ISLANDS
>
> KV4FZ <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=855278368>
>
> VENEZUELA
>
> YV5DRN <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1200362672>
>
> WALES
>
> MW0ZZK <https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/qsodetail?qso=1206058169>
>
>
>
> 73's
>
> George - WB5JJJ
> HoIP - 100105
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 9:18 AM <w5znjoel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings ADXA Folks,
>
>
>
> Be alert in the afternoons on 6 meters for E51EME on 50.313 FT8. Bob was
> heard by several stations just to our south yesterday. This is South Cook
> Island. Some of you have worked E51WL who is on North Cook, so E51EME would
> be a new one for those who may have not worked Bob on 6 meters before.
> Occasionally he gets on 10 meters in the afternoon as well so listen there
> if you need that one on 10.
>
>
>
> Bob is on South Cook for a couple of weeks “vacation” from his home in New
> Zealand (ZL1RS). For this trip he brought a much improved 6 meter antenna
> system, running two stacked 5 element Yagis. His TX power is 1KW so with
> just a little enhancement you should hear him. His antennas look out over
> the ocean and his RX is good.
>
>
>
> The past two nights (around 3 AM) I’ve watched him on EME and his EME
> signal has averaged between -20 to -25 (which is a VERY GOOD EME signal).
> He cannot elevate the antennas so he is only on EME during his moonrise
> (MR) and moonset (MS).
>
>
>
> So, BE ALERT for the next few afternoons and point your antenna around 240
> degrees azimuth. You can see his “blog” on his E51EME QRZ.com page.
>
>
>
> 73 Joel W5ZN
>
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