[50mhz] 50mhz Digest, Vol 124, Issue 9

Mon Jun 23 14:11:38 EDT 2014

Roger

HiHi

I work QRP as well as QRO. When there is no new DX for me QRO ( 324 worked 
and confirmed ), then I go QRP. Need 3 states for WAS and already have over 
150 countries QRP.

I am 65 yrs old so life is getting short.

Now, if I can just get Alaska on 6 meters I will have WAS 6 and will only 
need 1 more DX for DXCC on 6. I heard KL7KY a couple weeks ago during a rare 
opening to KL7 but he did not hear me. Sigh !

But, I have worked JAs and ZK1 ( E51 ) and ZL. Also need CP6UA or equivalent 
and St. Vincent J8.

What is terrible is when you have a neighbor ( 10 miles ) also on 6 meters 
who has a wide signal and he clobbers your radio 5 KHz away when you are 
trying to work DX or anyone. Maybe my FT2000 has a wide receiver but I doubt 
it.

Best Regards
Dan Schaaf

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:17:11 -0400
From: "Roger" <roger at k4rw.net>
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I agree Dan.

There are other ways to look at the issue of QRM:
On one side, QRM just adds to the challenge.  If working a DX station was
always easy, it would not continue to be as much fun as it is.
On the other side, if the QRM is masking a weak DX signal, then asking the
station to please move further away (and explain why) is appropriate.

On the lighter side, if asking nice and polite is met with disdain, maybe
the following next step is in order:
Move up 1.5kc, call CQ DX.
A few things might happen:
a) The DX hears your LOUD and POWERFUL signal and moves up to your
frequency.
B) The QRM'er hears only your LOUD and POWERFUL signal just above him and
moves down to get away.
c)  You ask the DX station to standby for your "buddy" the QRM'er when he
comes up to see who it is :-) LOL....

Life's too short for QRM  ( or was that QRP) ?

Roger, K4RW

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My 2 Centavos:

It has nothing to do with No Code or CB mentality. It is about a lack of
education in the established list of courtesies.

Perhaps it can be explained to them that while there is no FCC rule that
prohibits them from doing what they are doing, there is an established
gentlemen's courtesy that will benefit them as well as everyone else.

If they are not Cluster observers, then they might not know that there is DX
where they are operating. One of the benefits of the Cluster is to let
people know where NOT to be as well as where to listen for a needed one.
Since we all do NOT have spectrum scopes on our radios, the cluster serves
an important role. The alternative might be to install a motor drive onto
the VFO shaft.

I realize that there are stubborn people. I have run across them on 60
meters in the DX Channel 5.4035 MHz. Once they start a rag chew, they think
that they are the only hams in the world and that they now own that
frequency.

Best Regards
Dan Schaaf

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   4. Re: Mentoring needed........ (John Geiger)
   5. Re: Mentoring needed........ (manualman at juno.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:44:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: r miles <greenacres113 at charter.net>
To: 6m <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
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You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to kindly
help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there were at
least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd. several in
there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd more.
Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the game they
were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by these stn.s.
Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while these guys couldn't
figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in the band. I did hear
several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the DX window. They were
ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We need to mentor them......

K9IL EM56

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:37 -0400
From: K4OWR <k2owr at comcast.net>
To: r miles <greenacres113 at charter.net>, 50mhz at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
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:::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely blesses
us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There is a crew of
guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount of talking to
them does any good. They simply are incapable of comprehending the concept.
Their answer is that it's good that they hang out there so someone will
notice them.....the only thing is that all have mediocre stations because
they report hearing my 2KW and giant beam as S6. I have simply given up
trying. Mentoring only works when someone wants to learn, or even cares.
BILL K4OWR

On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
>
> You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to
> kindly help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there
> were at least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
> 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd.
> several in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd
> more. Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the
> game they were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by
> these stn.s. Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while
> these guys couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in
> the band. I did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the
> DX window. They were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We
> need to mentor them......
>
> K9IL EM56
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:04:29 -0400
From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
To: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>, "r miles"
<greenacres113 at charter.net>, <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
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When I want to work 6M DX I rarely use SSB as there are a lot more fine DX
ops on CW...and usually longer haul also.
Let the CB crowd have .125 and up

Carl
KM1H

----- Original Message -----
From: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>
To: "r miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>; <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........

> :::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely
> blesses us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There is a
> crew of guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount of
> talking to them does any good. They simply are incapable of comprehending
> the concept. Their answer is that it's good that they hang out there so
> someone will notice them.....the only thing is that all have mediocre
> stations because they report hearing my 2KW and giant beam as S6. I have
> simply given up trying. Mentoring only works when someone wants to learn,
> or even cares.
> BILL K4OWR
>
>
> On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
>>
>> You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to kindly
>> help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there were at
>> least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
>> 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd. several
>> in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd more.
>> Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the game they
>> were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by these stn.s.
>> Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while these guys couldn't
>> figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in the band. I did hear
>> several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the DX window. They were
>> ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We need to mentor them......
>>
>> K9IL EM56
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0000
From: "John Geiger" <af5cc at fidmail.com>
To: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>, "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>, "r
miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>, <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
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I agree with one of the previous posts.  You can only mentor someone who
wants to be mentored.  Many think they already know better...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
To: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>; "r miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>;
<50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........

> When I want to work 6M DX I rarely use SSB as there are a lot more fine DX
> ops on CW...and usually longer haul also.
> Let the CB crowd have .125 and up
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "K4OWR" <k2owr at comcast.net>
> To: "r miles" <greenacres113 at charter.net>; <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
>
>
>> :::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely
>> blesses us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There is a
>> crew of guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount of
>> talking to them does any good. They simply are incapable of comprehending
>> the concept. Their answer is that it's good that they hang out there so
>> someone will notice them.....the only thing is that all have mediocre
>> stations because they report hearing my 2KW and giant beam as S6. I have
>> simply given up trying. Mentoring only works when someone wants to learn,
>> or even cares.
>> BILL K4OWR
>>
>>
>> On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
>>>
>>> You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to kindly
>>> help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there were at
>>> least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
>>> 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd. several
>>> in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd more.
>>> Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the game they
>>> were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by these stn.s.
>>> Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while these guys
>>> couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in the band. I
>>> did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the DX window. They
>>> were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We need to mentor
>>> them......
>>>
>>> K9IL EM56
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:39:27 -0400
From: <manualman at juno.com>
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Subject: Re: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
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Every band has its share of "band idiots"; 6 meters is no exception. It
becomes even more pronounced when the opens up.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:37 -0400 K4OWR <k2owr at comcast.net> writes:
> :::: The same thing goes on here in east TN, where the e-skip rarely
>
> blesses us, and Lord knows we need all the DX help we can get. There
> is
> a crew of guys that hang out constantly on the calling Fx. No amount
> of
> talking to them does any good. They simply are incapable of
> comprehending the concept. Their answer is that it's good that they
> hang
> out there so someone will notice them.....the only thing is that all
>
> have mediocre stations because they report hearing my 2KW and giant
> beam
> as S6. I have simply given up trying. Mentoring only works when
> someone
> wants to learn, or even cares.
> BILL K4OWR
>
>
> On 6/23/2014 8:44 AM, r miles wrote:
> >
> > You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to
>
> > kindly help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday
> there
> > were at least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX
> window of
> > 50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd.
> > several in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you
> hrd
> > more. Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of
> the
> > game they were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered
> by
> > these stn.s. Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while
>
> > these guys couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher
> in
> > the band. I did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of
> the
> > DX window. They were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We
>
> > need to mentor them......
> >
> > K9IL EM56

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:23:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Chris Boone <cboone at earthlink.net>
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Be SURE to be polite and let them know they are on top of DX and they need 
to move out of the window..THEY may not be able to hear the DX...so if they 
don't they don't realize they are possibly clobbering others...

Chris
WB5ITT

-----Original Message-----
>From: r miles <greenacres113 at charter.net>
>Sent: Jun 23, 2014 7:44 AM
>To: 6m <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [50mhz] Mentoring needed........
>
>
>You can't just  blame the 'no code' or 'CB' mentality. We need to kindly
>help these guys fit into the mainstream.........yesterday there were at
>least 3 domestic stn.s sitting in the traditional DX window of
>50100-50125  just chatting and passing out grid squares. I hrd. several
>in there at least 30 mins. of CQing & chatting. Maybe you hrd more.
>Besides being impolite & ignoring the traditional rules of the game they
>were QRMing DX. There were CT & CU stn.s being covered by these stn.s.
>Someone probably lost a chance to work a new DX while these guys
>couldn't figure out they  should have been 25 kc higher in the band. I
>did hear several stn.s ask these stn.s to QSY out of the DX window. They
>were ignored. Guys we don't need to flame them. We need to mentor
>them......
>
>K9IL EM56

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:37:35 -0400
From: Samuel Strongin <kf4yox at embarqmail.com>
To: r miles <greenacres113 at charter.net>
Cc: 6m <50mhz at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [50mhz] QSL Dan
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  What is wrong with calling cq on 50.115 ? Sam kf4yox

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2014, at 12:52 PM, r miles <greenacres113 at charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes there is no one thing to blame. It's just being rude whether 
> intentional or not.
>
> One of the offenders yesterday called CQ 10m on 50115 for abt 15 min.s 
> then just CQ. I was wondering if he confused or had a problem. Several 
> stn.s tried to get him to move with no reply. Maybe he was split band & 
> didn't know. Sad.
>
> His call was issued in the last few yr.s. I doubt he watches the clusters. 
> Probably some guy who has 6m on his new HF radio & wanted to work someone.
>
> What's irritating is a few gud Op newbies in my area are just discovering 
> 6m DX. They ask abt. the SSB window. All I can say is it's just some of 
> our bad actors. Again sad.
>
> Bob
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