[1000mp] W8JI INRAD roofing filter measurements

[Adam Farson]

Hi Pete,

There is a fascinating article describing IMD tests on the IC-7800 by DC4KU
in CQ-DL, August 2005 (in German). In these tests, IP3 at 2 kHz offset
degrades by an astounding 16 dB when switching from the 15 kHz to the 6 kHz
roofing filter. This degradation is due to passive IMD in the filter, and
possibly also to IMD in the filter driver amplifiers caused by mismatch when
the filter is excited outside its passband. I can send you an
English-language summary of the relevant part privately, if you wish.

It is highly significant that professional receivers manufactured by the
likes of R&S, Rockwell-Collins, Racal and Harris have a single roofing
filter. This filter is typically 12 to 16 kHz wide, to pass multi-channel
ISB, VFT (multiplexed teletype) and high-speed crypto, all of which have
extremely stringent in-band IMD requirements. To quote a British engineer
who used to design shipboard HF receivers for the Royal Navy:

The up-converting architecture, with a roofing filter at a first IF above
the highest RF frequency, allows the designer to limit the bandwidth
presented to the first IF chain and second mixer. The bandwidth of this
filter is a trade-off. Its 3 dB BW must be sufficient to pass the widest
emission the receiver is required to handle, but not so narrow that IMD and
temperature-drift effects in the filter become a concern.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: 1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 04:34
To: All about Yaesu 1000mp
Subject: Re: [1000mp] W8JI INRAD roofing filter measurements

Put it in, Dave - takes 10 minutes and the difference in contest conditions
is remarkable.  I suspect that this will turn out to be some sort of
measurement anomaly - why would inserting a 6 KHz filter in the first IF
cause such marked deterioration in measurements with 2 KHz spacing?

73, Pete N4ZR