[1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group

Wed Jul 26 09:02:02 EDT 2006

Ron,

whatever rig you want to praise or condemn, whether it's a ten tec, 
yaesu etc., (and this goes for everyone), it would help a great deal if 
you would say what mode you operate and what kind of operating you do.  
   There are way too many who praise brand x to the sky, then it turns 
out all their operating (which they don't mention) is cw dx chasing, 
and brand x stinks for phone.   Or they ragchew on phone and brand x 
stinks for cw dx chasing, something they are not aware of, and so 
on....you get the idea.

73,

rob / k5uj

On Wednesday, July 26, 2006, at 04:36 AM, RM wrote:

> Geeeeez,
>
> I have owned the Orion I and now own the Orion II (using the Orion 
> since
> 2003), and planning to buy a second II to replace my Icom 775DSP.  The 
> rig
> is absolutely outstanding and performs significantly better that any 
> of the
> Kenwood's (930/950), Yaesu (1000mp), and Icoms (765/775DSP) I've 
> owned.  I
> have had less issues with the Orion than any of the rigs mentioned 
> above.
> And what few issues that I have had has been fixed without having to 
> send
> the thing in and pay for that pleasure,  or buy a new rig to fix the 
> design
> issues.
>
> The 'magnitude of Orion owners' (?????????) mentioned below amazes me 
> that
> some one would make such a statement; I would like to see that survey.
> Simply put, the Orion pulls stations out of the noise that NONE of my 
> rigs
> that I have owned in my 43 years of hamming or other models that I've
> operated have not been able to accomplish.
>
> A comment from this 'Magnitude of satisfied folks'.  (PS: yep, the rig
> doesn't look as pretty as the other companys' rigs, but at 5 to 7 more
> thousand dollars you can get that and by definition you are satisfied.)
>
>
> Ron/NU1U
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:1000mp-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of n4dsp
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 02:27
> To: All about Yaesu 1000mp
> Subject: Re: [1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group
>
> Scott,
>      thanks for teaching me so much about things. Its nice to have 
> people
> like you. I am so much better for it. I now have a complete 
> understanding of
> amateur radios and I owe it all to you.
>
> john
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Manthe" <n9aa at arrl.net>
> To: "All about Yaesu 1000mp" <1000mp at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [1000mp] I was barred from the ft9000-ft2000 yahoo group
>
>
>> The Orion is a terrific rig, but you obviously have never spoken to 
>> any of
>
>> the multitude of  Orion owners about the continual problems with that 
>> rig.
>
>> It has a design flaw (overtaxed DSP) and yet somehow Ten Tec doesn't 
>> come
>> out and admit it and just keeps releasing firmware patches. You ever
>> wonder why Ten Tec made fun of Icom for releasing the Pro 2 18 months
>> after the original Pro and then did the same thing with the Orion?
>>
>> The Elecraft is a nice rig, but is essentially a toy compared to 
>> anything
>> like a Mark V/Orion/FT-9000.
>>
>> Even given it's flaws, the MARK V series is the best rig for the money
>> available, period. Of course, it's best to have one of the later ones 
>> and
>> get the mods built-in, but even after the cost of adding them, it's 
>> still
>> a bargain.
>>
>> How exactly do you know whether the problems with the FT-9000 are poor
>> design? How exactly are you privy to the problems with the FT-2000? 
>> Were
>> you part of either design team? Are you a professional designer who 
>> has
>> gotten together with a group of FT-9000 owners to reverse engineer the
>> 9000 and discover it's flaws? Are you an industrial spy who has
>> ferreted-out all the problems that Yaesu is having with the FT-2000? 
>> Or
>> are you just a disgruntled amateur who wants to complain because he 
>> can't
>> get his rig when he wants it?
>>
>> You either want Yaesu to introduce a rig without bugs or you want it
>> quickly and I'd suggest you decide which before you post.
>>
>> The FT-2000 is being used right now in Montenegro for the DXpedition 
>> 2006.
>
>> This will tell us quite a lot about how close the FT-2000 is to being
>> ready for market.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott, N9AA
>>
>> n4dsp wrote:
>>>
>>> I never made a decision to leave this group. This is the type of 
>>> letter
>>> the list owner and moderators use with all the pleasantries. Notice 
>>> the
>>> "Loss of any member is felt by everyone in the group".  Also posts I 
>>> made
>
>>> to this group were withheld on a couple of occasions because I did 
>>> not
>>> "fit the ideal Yaesu customer profile". Talk about censorship!
>>>
>>> With the Yaesu Mark V you spend thousands of dollars and then some to
>>> repair keys clicks and other
>>> modifications yourself. More problems are evident with the FT-9000. 
>>> These
>
>>> radios cost over $10,000 and the problems the owners are encountering
>>> should not be taking place. These are not growing pains as Yaesu 
>>> would
>>> have you to believe but very poor design and workmanship. These are 
>>> not
>>> due to a new product making its appearance on the scene as Yaesu 
>>> would
>>> have you believe. If the American public accepted this type of 
>>> product in
>
>>> some other industry there would be such a public outcry Congress 
>>> would be
>
>>> involved. Manufacturers like Yaesu has duped the Amateur Radio 
>>> Operators
>>> with the normal excuses but it is unacceptable to put out a product 
>>> when
>>> its development has not been fully realized. This is why the FT-2000 
>>> 200
>>> watt version is not being made available at this time. Yaesu is 
>>> trying to
>
>>> fix all the problems with this rig thereby the delay on it's release 
>>> but
>>> that is not to be public knowledge as a source told me today. Neither
>>> will the retail merchants
>>> let on of the problems with the FT-2000 200 watt version.
>>>
>>> Subscribe to the FT-9000, FT-2000 yahoo group and read the posts of 
>>> the
>>> FT-9000's problems. These radios cost over $10,000 and the problems 
>>> which
>
>>> owners are encountering. There are two good companies out there 
>>> today and
>
>>> both are American made. Ten-Tec and Elecraft. Excellent products.
>>> Excellent Receivers. Excellent Customer Support and Technical 
>>> Service.
>>> Yaesu can kiss my arse.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> john-n4dsp
>>>
>>>
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